Gang Stalking

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Wednesday, May 14, 2008

I want out.

Ever wonder if the Governments of the world are full of Passive Aggressive Manipulators? Now as many of you can remember I started blogging about these about 7 months ago. I thought I had identified one at my old job, that had set it's sights on me.

I was thinking about the Government and I wonder how many attributes they have in common with P.A.M.'s?They are big on being in control. They don't seem like it, but they are some of the most controlling people on the face of the planet, as well as manipulative. They also like to have all the power in a relationship, be it friendship or other. Now don't get me wrong they can be very nice people, people you want to be friends with, as long as you are not the one being manipulated by them, then it's another story.

It's the same with the government. I trusted my government. Thought they were nice, and so they are if you are not the one being Gang Stalked by them, then it's another story. They also like to be in control, they are manipulative and they also like to have the power in a relationship, as targets well know.

They love games, passive, aggressive, manipulative games. They like to hide in the shadow, behind a mask of sincerity, and harmlessness. The harmless geek type, wouldn't hurt a fly. Have you seen some of the people in government?

They like to play games that will psychologically over time weaken their targets. If they can find a hook, a way to dig into the target they will do it. Eg. Attack a persons weight, make them feel insufficient, unworthy, do little things to break them down, while all the time making the target seem like they have the problem, or that they are the ones who are causing the harm in the friendship, relationship. When called on the bullshit, they feign being hurt, or attacked, knowing full well what they are doing. They are good at dropping tears at the drop of a bucket.

Remember Gang Stalking is very similar, the government plays a psychological/Social game with the targets life that is set to destroy them, or at least severely limit their capacity. They do it over time, and if the target lashes out justifiably, they make it seem like it's the targets fault.
Also trying to get away from a passive aggressive manipulator is almost as hard as getting away from Gang Stalking. I have known people to leave the country to get away from one of these people. With Gang Stalking targets are hardly ever that lucky.

Passive Aggressive Manipulators are hard to spot and hard to identify, even if you do identify one, most people would not believe you. The same is true for Gang Stalking, even when you try to tell them that the government is crazy and stalking you, via snitches, most people don't believe. Also with both scenarios, if you do nothing to correct the situation it just get's worst and worst and you just get sucked further down.

http://www.mentalabuse.org/tech2.asp
http://www.mentalabuse.org/respond.asp

[quote]They're not that hard to deal with. You can ignore them (hey, works for most) or just say things like;"I hear what you're saying and I fully understand what you're asking for. However even if I wanted to do this I haven't got the authority to do it, so I'll have to get someone else."However the customer won't want to hear this because they know that the next person will see right through them and veto their demands. They're hoping that the first point of contact is a clueless pusher of pencils. If the first point of contact makes a mistake and gives them something they're not entitled to then the customer has won. Handball this type as soon as it becomes feasible to do so, but make sure you give a very detailed account of any conversation that you've had with them because this type of customer will most certainly lie to the next person and say things such as; "The person I was speaking to said that you'd be able to do this." This is despite the fact that you've said no such thing. [b]The passive/ aggressive manipulator lives in their own plane of reality and everyone is lying but themselves. Remember that and you'll soon be able to spot them and easily deal with anything they have to offer. [/b]
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Just like P.A.M.'s, they will say it is black, when you have said it is white, and the clueless people around them will just go along with it. The same is true with the government, once they list you as insane, a pedophile, drug dealer, whatever lie they use to get you stalked and mobbed 24/7, they will not give up, and unless you learn to use your voice and express yourself as a target, your side of the story will never get heard. It will be a one sided conversation, where you never get to voice or express what you are feeling.

Passive aggressive manipulators, seem really warm and caring, but they can also be downright cold and feeling less. They can also be ruthless and dangerous, just like the government. If you think you are dealing with one, handle with caution, if you know you are dealing with one, well handle with even more caution.

Doing nothing does not work, getting angry does not work, you have to find someway to express to the world how you feel about the situation without coming off as the aggressor, dealing with manipulators and Gang Stalking is the same. Also manipulators in some cases can be as bad as the government. Because they are controlling, in some cases they like to know your actions 24/7. If the government could get inside the heads of targets they would.

How to deal with them. Discontinue association. Stop talking to them and interact with them as little as possible the moment you know that you are dealing with one. However if you really are dealing with one, you might have to eventually go public about ending the friendship or association and even then that will often just spur on the P.A.M. The same is true for the government. The moment they know that we are trying to get away from the Gang Stalking, they try to turn it up a notch, they like to think that they have you in a death grip and will not let go. Sometimes I wish we could Gang Stalk them.

Anyways I was wondering if writing a public I want out letter to the stalkers would help. It would go something like this.

I want out. I never wanted to be a Gang Stalking target. This is not ok with me, it never has been, and it never will be. I have been saying I want out for the last two years, you have just not been listening or we have a failure to communicate. Either way. I find Gang Stalking to be psychologically, emotionally abusive, and degrading. I don't want to play this game anymore, I never did. I want my name out of this mess, I want my files removed and my name cleared. Stop spreading lies about me and the other targets. It's nothing personal, but some people like the attention 24/7 and I personally don't. I want my privacy back. I want the electronic/torture harassment to stop. I realise as long as I live in your country, that might not be possible, since there are just some ties that bind that can not be easily broken, but I still want out.

I want to live in peace and quite, i want to stop being psychologically degraded, manipulated, and I don't appreciate the control. I do realise that my fellow sheeple for the most part are ok with this, and some even like the game, however I don't. I don't like the jobs that I have lost due to this garbage, or the reputation that has been ruined due to this, and I want it to stop. Simply put I want out.

In the future should I get bored and decide I again want to be psychologically manipulated, controlled, etc, I will let ya know. Yours sincerely, Citizen Gang Stalking.

Do I really think that would work? No, but it might be fun to do. All we can do is realise that silence kills, but also over reacting does us no good. These people are looking to push our buttons, they are playing games that we never asked to play. They will hold on to and control us as long as we let them. We must do what we can to remove them from our realm, that means on a physical level, but also on a psychological level and that can take time. Remember the name of the game is to ruin the targets reputation, put them into stressful situations, make them seem like they are the ones with the problem. Never let them get their side of the story out, and keep the rumour mill going. While seeming like the friendly benevolent government that would never do their citizens any harm right? That's why I think governments are really passive aggressive manipulators at heart, and all we can do is work at getting out on every level that we can.

They do not have our best interests at heart, they are out to make sure that targets are degraded in every way possible, and it's up to us to find a way out. We have to realise they will play these games for as long as we let them. Our best methods of defence are again exposure and awareness. Will it stop the Gang Stalking, probably not, but it can make it less severe. When you don't have a voice and others are doing the talking for you you have no chance for survival.

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Monday, May 12, 2008

Walls

Walls.

I was just thinking of the walls that separate people. Some of them are needful, such as boundaries. These let people know what's acceptable and what is not acceptable. These walls are needed. During the course of Gang Stalking, I had to extablish a lot of these. If you don't people will walk right over you. I mean I have these creates try all sorts of unheard of stuff. Just stuff that's wrong. Boundaries were the best way to get some of those things stopped, they were needed and had to be implemented.

Some of them are stupid and artificial. Like money and social status. Who can walk free and who get's to be stalked. Who get's to be loved and who get's to be hated in this world and why.

Some are completely unneeded. Color barriers, age, race, gender, fear, trust, anger. However these are used in society all the time to keep people apart. To control many in society. Being targets of Gang Stalking many of us have seen these barriers used to try to create fear, and hatred within us. Used to manipulate and separate in society.

Others are ones that we are not even aware of. Walls that separate one realm to the next. However once you become aware, you can never become unaware again.

Someone just reminded me how us targets put up these walls. How we learn not to trust, and learn not to hold onto things. It's true in a lot of ways. It's a survival instinct. I mean over the last 2 years, people that I should have been able to trust, are some of the people that have betrayed me the most. Your instinct for survival becomes to go for the hills without looking back.

People who you thought would always be there for you, situations that you always trusted, your government, family, friends, all gone. You are betrayed by everything in your life, and you learn to view things with those shades on. It's a wall of thorn that is needed for survival. It's what's sane in a world that suddenly becomes insane.

Are all the walls that go up needed? Hard to say, each person has to judge this for themselves. I mean for some they have been able to keep those walls down, I say good for them. For me it was not the case. Does it mean that you always have to leave these wall up? Not always, but maybe.
There are some walls that targets do not want up. Eg. Targets with children, do not want to have the walls up around their children. Children are too important and the walls should always be left down where they are concerned.

If you happen to already be in a situation with someone who you love and who loves you back, who is not out to destroy your life, then try to keep the walls down. I get so many people writing in to me, to tell me that their families are being destroyed. One partner is being affected by the stalking more than the other. They are stressed and the family is about to fall apart, and I always tell them to fight for their families. It's one of the best defences you have. You might want to put up a wall to defend your family, but keep the walls down within your family. I always thing that people with families would have it better, but in some ways they don't cause they have more to loose. Yet if they can hold it together, they have more to gain.

Being single in this realms is tuff in some ways, but it's nice in others. It's a balance.
The idea as a target is find some of that balance. I think being a target you can get into a really closed off place, not a bad thing for survival. However as a person who has become aware that there is more to life than just what we see and experience with our physical beings, I am aware now that we sometimes live in 2 worlds at once. I realise that if you want to explore and have access to those worlds, you have to let yourself be open. Also I realise that by letting yourself get closed off, to the mystic, the divine, the happy, the joyful, the laughter, etc. You give these people what they want, you let them rob you of what they don't have. You let them feed off of you, and that is not a good thing.

There are a lot of things I don't want to be closed off to, but still am cause I like feeling safe, and for the longest time those walls were my protection. Trusting people does not come easy for many people, it's just one of the things that holds us in place here. As a target we learn not to trust 100 times more than that. Not each other in some cases, and not the world at large. There are still some good people in the world, but we must help light their way as much as we must light our own, no one else is going to do it for us.

So though walls are good for somethings, and they can keep a lot of bad stuff out, sometimes they are restrictive, and preventative, and they separate you from things, people, places, realities that you really do want to be in touch with. It's all about finding a balance.

Walls are just like people, some people are open and they share everything, and they have no walls up. I think that's great. I think that gives you the ability to touch base with so many things, and it's a wonderful way to be, but then other people are like me, and we are walled off, for safety, yet that also shuts things out. I realise now that both can be a bad thing, and it's good to find balance. As a target you might tend to forget this overtime, because these people tend to strip our humanity, and they often rob us of what is good and beautify within. I think we have to fight really hard not to loose sight of that.

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Saturday, May 10, 2008

The Veil

I have been distracted lately. Since discovering the site in 2 worlds. I have been thinking a lot about this stuff.

It's nothing new for me, infact before a lot of this workplace mobbing started, and Gang Stalking started, I use to research stuff like this all the time for fun.

I love finding out about the fact that our science is really messed up. The time lines are so bad, carbon dating is not accurate, and the Greenhouse effect, is probably a natural phenomenon that the earth has seen before, and will again. (Pole shift anyone?). Small little things like that.
I also loved reading and learning about the spirit, weird phenomenon like PSI stuff, spiritual contracts, NDE's, past lives, etc. I was so up on this stuff, and my library records probably reflected this.

I keep this in mind because again with the targeting sometimes the reason that you think you are targeted is not the real reason. The types of people being targeted are pretty specific. Smart in many cases, moral, independent, free thinkers, not conditioned the way society said we should be, etc.

I keep wondering if I should start another blog for this. I know this blog is suppose to be about Gang Stalking and it had the odd other post stuck in there from time to time, but lately my mind has been elsewhere, and rather than not share that with you all, I would rather just start another blog in addition to this one to keep the two separate. Actually what I really want to do is keep the same blog, and have you journey with me on my path of transformation, but I do realise that might not be possible depending on the stages that you are in. (Torture and psychological warfare, do not exactly make good bed fellows with spiritual journies, but they can.)

My Gang Stalking still continues, some days it's all that I can do not to wish the snitches away, but that would mean wishing pretty much all people away. (I am ok with that.) I like my alone time. I love my privacy, to have that taken away has been a real violation. I don't mind my privacy invaded by people who have my best interest at heart, but I do mind my privacy being invaded by those who do not. In fact I mind it a great deal most of the time, but sometimes there is not much you can do.

So what have I been thinking about? Sometimes I feel like the whole world already knows and I hate that, because my thoughts are private, and anyone who cares about me would respect that. I don't care if a few close people know my thoughts, but not the whole world.

Anyways I have been thinking about the beliefs that we are spiritual beings having a physical
experience. Before this started, I use to read about spiritual contracts. Some people believe that we are spirit and that we come here to earth agreeing to have specific experiences, agreeing to meet specific people at different times, even agreeing as to when we will go back. Some mothers have reported having spiritual or dream encounters with their future unborn children, and making an agreement with them that they would have them incarnate with them for a time, and even knowing what they would be coming here to do. Pretty interesting stuff.
http://ezinearticles.com/?Spiritual-Contracts----There-Are-No-Victims&id=279881

I believe the spirit world is all around us, it's not some far off concept, not by a long shot. I also think that it's nothing more than a thin veil, that many other cultures have learnt to transcend. From Shamen, to spiritual reader, etc.

I think that dreams are how the spirit world communicates with this realm. Eg. Because most of us in society are not aware of this fact, that realm communicates with us the only way it can, via dreams. Why the imagery is so messed up or different is beyond me, the translation is weird, but that what happens. Dream books seem to be aware of these translations and some are really good with helping to break down this barrier.

I also think that this realm communicates via synchronicity. Eg. You are trying to find the answer to something and suddenly a sign appears, a book falls, a picture, object appears, mostly signs, billboards, etc. I believe that's just one way our minds communicate with the spiritual. It's how we reach each other at times, and how those in other places reach and touch us.

I do think we come here with purposes, deciding what we want to do, however I also fully believe that we can get distracted, lose sight of that path, or never fulfil what we came to do. The challenge is to stay open, not let the pain, burdens and heartaches of this world hold us down.
I believe we start off in this world being very much aware of the spirit realm, but as we grow, unless you are from a culture that actively and openly nurtures this, then you lose sight of this really quickly. That is also why young children show greater PSI abilities and then lesser by age 5.

I believe in societies like ours, children especially are exposed too quickly, and conditioned too quickly to lose sight of this. I believe our societies foster families that don't have the time to nurture these attributes in children and so we raise these violent, unproductive beings when we could raise up these free spirits, that have amazing knowledge and abilities. (Healing, mind reading, telekinesis, etc)

I think these are amazing abilities because we don't know any better. We don't realise that these are things that we all start off having the potential to tap into, however due to abusive childhoods, sexual, physical, emotional, psychological, even underprivileged childhoods, etc we loose track of that.

Children are not trained up in these ways, infact they are conditioned from birth, with tv, school, church, work, etc. By the time many of us enter adulthood, much of this has been depleted, we have often fully lost touch with any of this, or the capacity to fully tune into this stuff. Much like changing channels, or vibrations, we tune in and out of this stuff like we do with people.
The world hurts and abuses us, and leaves us emotionally downtrodden, enslaves, most don't realise it, and so we loose touch with these amazing people that we could be, that we all have the potential to be. In any given time period ofcourse there are some that by the grace of God, make it though unscathed, untouched and able to help guide, or teach others, but it's so rear, when it should be the norm. Our society does not have our spiritual best interests at heart. It's not in their interest to see these things fostered, and so everything is set up in place for these things to fail.

I liked the movie the golden compass, when it showed them trying to get the kids to grow up and remove their spirits from them. I think that's why we have people in powerful places and positions, who are helping to run child porn rings. Children are an amazing and precious commodity and very few get to be nurtured in society the way they deserve to be. I don't mean money or privilege, that helps, but it's not the be all and end all.

You will also find in society if you try to present new concepts, ideas, or if you discover something that goes against the grain, or that is outside of the norm, then you will get shot down, often your discoveries will be removed, and if you don't keep quite about it, you will be on the governments most wanted list.

We could have paradise, but we have a painful prison instead, and it's not necessary. That's part of the real truth. It's so sad when you really tune into this. It's also hopeful, because when you do start to realise that we are powerful, we have choices, we can change our lives with thought, sound can create and call things into existence, the world changes for you overnight and then you have a new reality, and new concepts that you have to try to decipher and understand. The world holds many mysteries and adventures just waiting to be had, often time we have to just tune into it, or let ourselves be open to it, but most in society can't because they don't know how, they have never learnt, or they just can't or won't let go of these restrictions that have been placed on their minds.

We can help each other on these paths, but we still have to have our our experiences, our own journeys. Love is the highest power, the greatest law. We are all one, but we are all individuals. (Makes no sense right?) Think of Star Trek next generation. Auto is this cool creature that comes from this world where they can all meld into one, and share each others thoughts, experiences etc, but then he is one individual as well, who can step away from that and have his own unique experiences. Even the borg on that show are another interesting concept. We are one, we are a human collective, a human conscience, and yet we are individuals who have our own experiences and make our own choices.

There is so much in society that explains this, many have tuned into this before, and will again, and the only limitations are those that we place on ourselves and those that we let our society place on us. Most in society are so not in tune with these concepts, infact these concepts are anathema to most in society, which is really sad, because these concepts could help free our society from the unseen bonds that hold us in place.

Most of us in society do not have caring nurturing relationships, not truly, not with our kids, not with our parents, not with our spouses, we don't often really know how to. Thus the breakdown in marriages, kids hating parents, friendships that don't last etc. Our society is set for these associations to fail, and if they don't fail on their own, the society is more than willing to give a push. I often wonder at the people getting targeted. I even wonder about high profile cases in the news, like the Mormons. Did society really care, or is it just that we had no access to them, not enough snitches, they were raising the kids without these limitations, just some thoughts. I am sure there might have been genuine concerns, but after ruby ridge and Waco, these things now come to mind.

Anyways, how can you have truly loving caring relationships with others if you have never been taught? Also how can you be truly open with someone that you don't trust, or feel has your best interest at heart? How can you ever fully tune into that person? Most of us are use to and accustomed to substandard relationships that leave us bruised and broken in many cases. We learn to close ourselves off emotionally, people in our society seem to be great at physical closeness, be it hugs, physical intimacy etc, but most are not ever able to achieve emotional, psychological, spiritual closeness.

Also sometimes when you can achieve these states they can grow stronger in some cases, so strong that a deep emotional bond is created, however in other cases do to abuse, emotional, physical, Psychological, Verbal etc, they can become diminished. We are in a society where many of us expect to be betrayed, abandoned, belittled, dis-respected, and it's all good. However that's not good, that's not healthy, that's not sane, and the more we let ourselves get exposed to this, the more we become closed off, and then we often bring those to other relationships, and those newly created walls, that are designed to help us handle the pain of the situation often remain in place.

Innocence can get corrupted overnight, we start off being trusting people. Most of us are not prepared or equipped to handle, sociopaths, psychological manipulators, people who do not have our best interests at heart, we often start out believing that the world is a good and safe place till something teaches us differently. Then we have to figure out how to deal with the new knowledge, the new world view.

With Gang Stalking, I thought I had a fairly good idea with what was going on. The years before I knew the term mobbing, or gang stalking, I knew what people were doing to some degree, and that it was wrong, and hurtful and yet they kept doing it. I just thought how horrible they were, cause if you are doing something and you know it's hurting someone, and you keep doing it then obviously you don't care about the person. This created a lot of distance with friends and family, but until I found out about Gang Stalking, only then did I come to realise just how deep the betrayal was.

See when you don't have the full picture, or even 5-10% of the picture, you have some vague idea as to what is going on, but you really don't. Until you see the full picture, you can't really know what is going on. I knew I was being betrayed, but I had no idea how bad it was, till I found out about Gang Stalking, or how widespread it was, or how many people were involved. Once I did know, I again had to make adjustments to deal with the new reality, but some situations are like that, you get about 5-10% of the picture, and then you miss out on the other 90-95%. It's like having one way text messaging, you can send, but you can't receive, or you receive one or two short bursts, but you are never clear on what is happening, you never get to see the whole picture and therefore can not truly make proper assessments, decisions or judgements.

That's always been one of the more irritating parts with the Gang Stalking stuff, the rumour mill. Everyone in your life knowing more about your life than you do. People getting one side of the story and assuming it's the whole story, picture, when you often have no idea, didn't say that, or weren't aware of that. After about 10 years of this, I am almost numb to this. I have had to come to places of acceptance where I do realise I might never hear the full story, where I have to formulate opinions and ideas with about 5-10% of the puzzle. Life is more fun when you have all the pieces of the puzzle, but it's just not always possible.

The other irritating part is the concept of intimate infiltrations. The fact that some people will try to get into your life just to see how they can screw you over and hurt you. Friendships are hard to form this way. Family well some of the worst has been done. Love, well being the romantic sort, that does put a damper on things. I believe in the concept, the possibility, but love has to love you back, or then is it truly love? If you have someone in your life that is not true, not loyal, not faithful, and does not have your best interest at heart, then are you really loved? My logic says no, and that is what the dangers of intimate infiltrations are. Ofcourse that is why targets have to be so careful.

Even if it's not intimate infiltrations and it's just regular romantic relationships, I have seen the strong and the wise brought low with bad decision making. Eg. Samson with Delila, (I always wondered why he didn't kick her to the curb?) I mean here is this chick gathering all his secrets, and then spilling them to his worst enemies. So not cool. Then Solomon and his women, took him away from the very God he loved as a child, he should have stuck with Sheba. Then there are more modern examples, Whitney and bobby, she went from Queen of pop, the children are our future, teach them well, let them lead the way, to crack. I think the years with Bobby, his cheating, and fathering kids with other chicks did not help her self esteem, and she seemed to have at least some before him. Then there is Diana, beautiful princess ruined by her choice. I remember that she wanted to walk away before the marriage, but the names had already been engraved on the plates. Great kids, but a marriage not made in heaven.

Then I have seen others come together, Brad and Angelina, great combo. I love watching the path that these two walk. The kids that they bring into their relationships, Angelina and her concept of finding her kids in the world. I think they are just on such a cool journey. Also Cudos to Keith Urban for cleaning up the act when Nicole came along.

I think in any situation that the right people can have a profoundly positive effect on another person and that is what we are here to do for each other. I think in other situations people can have a profoundly bad effect on each other. I think the right people who really care about you and love you, have your best interests at heart, do right by you, and do not betray you, help bring out the best in you. I think if you are worried about what your friends are doing, family, or even spouses on a consistent basis, then you might not be on the right paths with those people. You can't choose your family this is true, but you can limit contact with them if you feel that they are betraying you, the others can all be chosen and or removed on these life paths that we are creating for ourselves.

Right now I still feel really good about my path of transformation. I am physically limiting people that are bad for me on my path, and I am trying to do the same on an emotional, spiritual and psychological level, which takes more work. Sometimes people come into your life for you to learn a lesson, concept or just experience something. I find that people are transitional, and you can't always count on the fact that they will be there for you, the only one you can count on is you, and God. Still I am trying to be more open, trying to tune into the spiritual.

I find that it's hard. My spiritual self is still so different than my conscience self. My conscience self has seen a lot of the grit of this world, it's hardened, logical and accepts the pit for what it is. I think my spiritual or inner self is still more hopeful, trusting, believing in love everlasting, happy endings, truth, loyalty, friendships, trust. I find for me it's difficult to tune into the spiritual because the one is so different than the other. That's what's so neet about this world, you can find that you don't even really know your own self at heart, and that can be a discovery in and of itself.

I still look forward to learning more, getting back to basics and concepts that I use to know, new concepts that I want to understand, like about sound and how it affects us. How we interact with it. I want to know my whole being as a person, I want to continue to be purified. Like all those before me have been, by difficult experiences. I want to understand why I sought this experience, what I still hope to or need to learn, and I look forward to new people I might meet along the path. There are still a few good people in the world, so much to discover, see and do. I have a new feeling inside that was not there before, or rather has not been there for a long time, and that is because I am tuning into me again. I did not do that during the mobbing, Gang Stalking, because these things are designed to kill and trap the spirit, leave it broken and wounded, and this experience did not do this, if did just the opposite, and so on my path I don't want to let it anything that will do what the Gang Stalking failed to do.

So that's my very long post about the veil, and the thin layers that divide us all. We are all so close to being one, but then we are all so separate. Find experiences that will let you be free, that will let light and love in and that will let the veil be torren down more and more. Interact and connect with people who really want to help you on your path, and who truly love you, avoid others who don't. Keep an eye our for dreams and synchronicities, they are how the sprit(s), the divine within us connects with our hoping to be divine. Enjoy the journey, rise above this experience that will try to hold us down, and make make us lose sight of God, the divine, and our true purpose and true calling. That is what this Gang Stalking stuff has done and we have the ability to choose not to let it do this to us. We can rise about this, I did not say that we can stop, this, but maybe we can in time do that as well, but we can rise above it in the mean time.

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