Conspiracy Theories

http://gangstalking.wordpress.com/2009/04/06/conspiracy-theories/

Ok some quick followup. I have gone over many aspects of this story, but there is nothing obvious at this stage to make me think it was staged in anyway shape or form.

Was he provoked? I don't know enough about the behind the scenes, I do know from the articles that I read, he had lost his job, but a lot of people are losing their jobs, the gunman who killed 14 had also lost his job, but I have not had time to research that incident.

At this stage, it's hard to judge. Eg. I have come across a situation previously where they wanted the continued co-operation of a young man who was not co-operating. They encouraged those around him to make his life more difficult, including having his father call the police on him for a minor argument, something his father had never previously done. So though the possibility exists, until I can find more hard core details, I going to write this one as is.

My sympathies to the police and their families. It sounds like they were doing what his mother asked them to do, which was to remove him from the premises. I am not sure why after the initial shootings backup was not dispatched, and why a third officer was killed before the suspect was taken into custody.

For the suspect, based on what I have read, he really seems surprised by his actions, calling friends to say goodbye because he assumed he was going to die, calling the ex-girlfriend to say he still loved her, even thought they have a very turbulent past.

I have read many articles on this, visited the appropriate forums, and I don't see anything to make me think he was extremely provoked in this specific instant, but I can't fully rule out the possibility of minor provocations, over time that we were not aware of, that might even have contribute to some of his actions up to that point. I can't fully eliminate that possibility.
Based on the articles he was scared of gun laws being enacted, and losing rights, but these actions will unfortunately give others possible reasons to take away rights.

As you know I am against guns personally, but I advocate the rights of others to own them, but in a responsible fashion.

At this stage it's tragic what happened for all parties, and seems like it could have been avoided. I can not find anything in any of the research to suggest there was a specific reason for this, unless others can shed additional light on this event.

Pointless tragedy that could have been avoided. We have to remember that no matter what we believe, even if it turns out that the world is not the place you thought it was, nothing about the world has changed, except your awareness of it, and acting in an out of bounds fashion, will not help anyone. Calm, it's the only way true solutions can be found, in terrible times.

Conspiracy Theories

http://gangstalking.wordpress.com/2009/04/06/follow-ups/

Ok so after writing the above post, I was doing some follow up's on the killing sprees that have been happening, trying to track anything as to what is behind them, agenda's etc, I found an article about one of the killing sprees that I have been tracking. "No I have absolutely no fascination with killing sprees whatsoever," but I have been tracking them, because I had a hunch they would be increasing around this time, and a need to track what is behind them.
Anyways, I just found out that the most recent one with police officers, was a member of stormfront. Apparently he posted once, but that was enough to link him to the site, see how that works?

Anyways here are my thoughts on this, I was going to do two separate posts, and I am not sure that I shouldn't. Ok looks like I am doing two separate posts.

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Pittsburgh_shooter_was_fan_of_rightwing_0405.html

[quote]The Post-Gazette also mentions the website PrisonPlanet, run by radio talk show host Alex Jones, as a source for some of the stories which Poplawski found disturbing.

For example, last fall, that site ran an article, "U.S. Troops In Homeland 'Crowd Control' Patrols From October 1st," which claimed that "U.S. troops returning from duty in Iraq will be carrying out homeland patrols in America from October 1st in complete violation of Posse Comitatus for the purposes of helping with 'civil unrest and crowd control' – which could include dealing with unruly Americans after a complete economic collapse." However, the worldview which enabled Poplawski to bring those various complaints together into a single, global conspiracy theory appears to have come from far more extreme sources.

Poplawski had also posted pictures of himself at Stormfront, a white supremacist website whose slogan is "white pride worldwide." The discussion of the shootings at Stormfront, which began with speculations that the gunman would turn out to be "some non-white" or "a jew," then turned to suspicions that the recent rash of shootings is a "setup" to push through gun control legislation, has become oddly muted since the revelation that Poplawski appears to be one of theirs. [/quote]

I remember when the Montreal shooting happened and they used it to try to paint the goth community as evil and vampirefreaks as a site where these types of people regularly come from, ignoring the fact Kimveer Gill was a part of myspace was it? Anyways the goth community banned together, worked to tone down anything that would paint them in a negative light and they survived. They also had thousands of new sign up's in a matter of days, and there is no way to tell how many were informants, that are now a regular part of that community, keeping an eye and ear on it.

Anyways they survived in one sense, but they did have the spotlight pointed at them for some time.

Back to the shooting, I don't have enough details, but here are some of my thought.

Remember when those articles came out last year in the New York Times and ABC.com about Gang Stalking and I said that it looked like we would in the future get some kind of armed standoff with the police, maybe a shootout and the person would likely belong to a conspiracy site, well I think this might be it. I thought the guy arrested for uttering Obama threats might have been it, but that always seemed too light. Here is a link to my original post about that.

http://gangstalking.wordpress.com/2009/01/18/man-arrested-for-obama-threat/

See at the time I thought the Stevie threat might have been it, but that seemed too mild to get laws passed. I was expecting something either a staged, where b where a legit conspiracy theorist was put into a situation of conflict the way they bait targets. See my quote below.

[quote]We were all or should have been waiting for an incident like this to happen, something to paint some member of the conspiracy community as crazy. I was personally expecting some kind of armed stand off, [/quote]

The guy who shoot 3 police officers, belonged to what most would consider to be an extremist website, and he was a conspiracy theorist, see kill two birds with one stone. I am not saying it was staged, but I have been looking out for something coming up, and this might be it.

Here is the story tell me what you think? Is this the one that will get the laws passed that will affect conspiracy sites, and extreme websites?

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Pittsburgh_shooter_was_fan_of_rightwing_0405.html

[quote]The unemployed twenty-two year old man who killed three Pittsburgh police officers and wounded two others in a four-hour shootout on Saturday morning had been heavily influenced by extremist conspiracy theories prior to the incident. [/quote]

This is the sort of thing that can paint conspiracy sites as extreme dangerous, mind you that conspiracy theories have been around for year, from aliens and secret government cover up's etc, but these conspiracy sites such as ATS and others might be painted in a new light. Anything that paints the government in an unflattering light would be prime targets.

I am not surprised by this, but what I would be watching for, and others should be watching for are laws, what will be the fallout, this should be a priority for conspiracy sites, and extremist sites.

Again please remember that the articles last year did everything in their power to paint Gang Stalking sites as either extreme communities or conspiracy websites, both labels were wrong, but what does truth matter when an agenda is at stake? Now we come full circle, and we have someone from an extremist website, who believed in conspiracies, let's the witch hunts begin. Oh
wait they already have.

Under Siege

Well another article has come out it's called What's Behind Internet Conspiracy Empires?

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/MindMoodNews/story?id=6443988&page=1

Dec. 12, 2008—

The article much like the last few articles wonders what the impact is that Gang Stalking Websites, more specifically Gang Stalking World, because let's face it there are only a few websites in the community that discuss what is actually happening.

[quote]A man standing on a street corner with a sign reading "the lizard people rule you all," or, "my neighbors are spying on me for the government" isn't likely to get many supporters.
But give that man a Web site template, or let him produce some slick videos on YouTube and, lo and behold, he may have thousands of people across the world supporting him.
Such is the story of several extraordinarily popular conspiracy theorists and theories online today.

Take the victims of gang stalking -- a subculture of people who think their friends and neighbors are all secret government spies ready to turn them over to the authorities. The movement has recently spawned gang stalking support groups, forums and advice Web sites. [/quote]
The article is not unexpected. Ever since I saw the article a few months ago about Truman Show Delusion, I expected similar articles. I did not expect them to specifically hone in on the Gang Stalking Websites so soon, but you knew it was coming.

So in anticipation of this, I wanted to give people a chance to discuss some of the things that have been happening to us. If they are truly interested in discussing Gang Stalking and Researching it, you can do so here.

http://www.GangStalkingUnited.com/forum

Because of programs like Cointelpro and their ability to wipe out movements, we have learnt that it's very possible to cover up things that are happening, demonize movements, or get rid of people that are not within their control. You can discuss the topic as long as they control what is being said about it.

What I see happening with Gang Stalking is that we have some real targets being removed from the scene, I blogged about this recently. I also see that we have many websites and blogs, but many in my opinion are not by genuine targets. Based on what we know about Cointelpro and other programs of that nature, we know that these programs have a habit of removing legit groups and starting up their own, this way they are in control of what is happening, what gets said, and what progress the movement makes.

I have often said that out of 10 websites you would be lucky to find one that is legitimate, that still holds true.

I have also suggested that you request your F.O.I.A. freedom of information act request, but please avoid people online that would get you to compose outlandish letters that will spawn the concern of "mental health experts".

The other problem is that activists and dissidents of other groups that are being spied upon, are getting some attention and concern, where Gang Stalking targets seem to still be very marginalized. We can not show reason to believe that we are being targeted, but our claims even with all the research are still being put off into the conspiracy zone. I am wondering if any activist in the community, who are parts of other activist programs have had any luck with getting assistance from outside communities?

Eg. Have you joined or are you a part of a peace movement that is under surveillance? I am wondering if targets in this situation have had any luck with gaining assistance from an outside source as a target of surveillance rather than Gang Stalking because they belong to a peace movement?

Anyways it's an interesting article. If this is just the new buzz word then that's great. If it's not the new buzz word, then we will see attempts by health experts to show that these sites are harmful. We might even get examples of this.

This article completely left out mentions of the Mind Control websites and went straight for
Gang Stalking, and specifically Gang Stalking World.

It's something to be aware of. The information on Gang Stalking World has been free to be shared, and backed up for sometime now. I suggest that you share the information, and if you have the space, make a copy of the website.

If we do not learn from history, we will be sure to repeat it. We might repeat it anyways, but at least we learnt.