Society os secrecy

This is the post that will sound out there, no matter how I write it, and no matter what I do, so I will just go for.

This is in relationship to Mark M. Rich and the fact that he thinks this is a bit more than a subset of society. I just think this is how the society is period, and some of us just don't realise this, but many others do, and are just not saying anything.

Not only is there a plethora of movies, books, soaps, that try to describe bits of this from time to time, or other times in history, but this is also based on my own personal experience.

When I first discovered the snitching and the one handed sign language, I ofcourse wanted to make sure that I was on the right track, so I did the only thing that I could do. When you have a hypothesis you have to go out and prove it, and get verifiable results that can be repeated, or something like that.

If this is what I was seeing, then I should be able to get confirmation of it. This is the part that surprised me, because to get confirmation for a time I had to interact with the Civilian Spies/Snitches.

This was also when I realised that not all of them were evil, many of them were just average citizens thinking they were doing a good job for the society. Many were actually proud. I think I might have mentioned this in my postings or on the forums. Before this, I ofcourse just thought that they were evil.

I mean from a Targeted Individual (TI) perspective, they are driving people to suicide, or acts of violence, pushing them towards homelessness, mobbing people out of work, setting them up for being jailed or institutionalised, I mean these are horrific acts to be perpetrating against your fellow man, but these people they don't care, they also don't necessarily see it that way. That's what the hands on research would show me.

Back to Mark's point and why I think that this is just how society is.

[b]The Snitches[/b]

When this started I would go on the train, that's where I observed some things, and got much confirmation. Remember this is me on the train for the last year and a half. I would walk through train cars to see if the snitching thing was happening in more than one train car, I wanted to make sure that the snitches were not just concentrated where I was. Not the case, I could go from one car almost to the end, and it would be the same thing. Average citizens, all ages, races, genders, that were part of the Civilian Spying/Snitching force.

I also during this time period interacted with some, to try to confirm either verbally or none verbally the things that I was observing, and did get the confirmations that I was seeking. Oh the concentrations that I was seeing on the trains, I have listed as 90%, but what I would really be observing is almost 100% concentrations.

At the various places that I have worked over the last year and a half. Work use to be normal and steady before this, now it's transitional, and variety based. The system can keep you unemployed, or push you into specific jobs that it wants you to be pushed into. It can make sure you are on contact vs fully employed, or other things. Just let's say that when people say that the system is keeping them out of a job, or they are blacklisted, it's not a joke. It's hard to imagine how it can happen, in a democratic society, but that is just the joke, about this so called democratic society.

Anyways. Every job that I have had has had snitches. I can tell you at 2 out of 4 locations that every co-worker on my level was snitching. The 4th location I was not there long enough to make an accurate observation, what I did see was right up there however. Two of the jobs were for smaller companies, but again the training classes were 100% filled with co-workers who were Civilian Spies/Snitches.

I have spoken to people who have advised that it's the government, others who think this is just another McCarthyism, others who think that the snitching is localised to where they work, they don't get to see what I saw and experienced as a target. Eg. That this is global and not just localised, another assured me it's normal and this happens in others countries, as well. (Yeah, good to know.)

At one job where I worked, we had international students, from various places around the globe, and again they were snitches. I can only assume that this is what is happening in their countries as well, or they learnt the snitching to be part of this exchange program.


[b]Vibrating/Pulsating Floors[/b]


Other experiences. With the vibrating floors, it almost feels like a mini power generator is making the floors pulsate/vibrate. I know that sounds weird, at work right, all jobs? If I was not experiencing it, I would think it was just out there. However I like to confirm what I am experiencing, so I got feedback from others.

At one job where this happened. Not only would the floors vibrate, but when this would happen, we had this glass that was sort of like frosted glass, but it would shake, and you could visually see it. I also would get co-workers to confirm what was happening with the vibrations or ask questions as to what was making it happen. There were people that were very aware of what was going on, and well... (I will leave it at that.)

The other job, I was not there long enough to make too many observations. The shaking thing was happening, but I think based on what was happening it was affecting the persons beside me just as much. We would have moments, where we would have to stand up at the exact same times, (due to the intensity of the shaking floors) and once I made eye contact with the person beside when this happened and the person was like, "I just don't want to know." I left it at that, but it was one of those things.

Another job this happened in the training class, and I thought it was just me at first, but it's not. The whole training class was experiencing this. That was and is the part that I just can't wrap my mind around. As a target you are like, it's just me, no one else knows what's going on, that's why we must expose this, but that's wrong. Some people do know what is going on, and when I say some people, I believe a large majority of some people.

People know some of the stuff that is going on. Most times they don't think that I do. (I don't feel that I can go into more details here.) However with the vibrating floors, they were falling asleep and not loving the heat, it's funny for me it was a break from my apartment which on any given day had to be 10 times worst than what was happening there.

Another time when this was happening at said job, one of the co-workers showed me that when it happens, you just stand up, like this. (That's the part where you can't actually pretend that they don't know what's happening, but you also can't ask any questions, or rather, I just choose not to.) There was more, but I don't want to go into too much of this.

The other job, I really don't remember much outside of the snitching. I was there way too briefly to observe much outside of that.


[b]Other Targets[/b]

Other things. At one job, I mentioned that there was another person who was also a target. I think I have blogged about some aspects of that before, if not then I will leave out the details in this post. However at that same job there was a third person there, and I was starting to suspect that stuff was ongoing with this person, but this person was really scared a lot of the time, however there was a specific instance, that lead me to this belief.

Along the way as a target, I have told you about some of my conversations with the police officers, some helpful some not.

Also as far as finding other targets, I mentioned the person at the one job, also the woman who was apartment hunting when I was, and she was experiencing the same stuff.

People that I worked with, one person had to sell their business and move into a below ground apartment. I believe that had to do with the electromagnetic harassment. Also this person would refer to the weird end of the world stuff that was happening.

People that I worked with that I know were forced to take part in what was going on, one person looked scared out of his mind as I saw him participating, very much against his will.

People that I am associated with, one person was going through similar stuff, and was complaining about it, years before I even realised it was ongoing in my life.
(Yes I did think this person was a little bit off at the time, I mean this person was saying that people were coming into the house and changing stuff around. It sounded crazy and at the time, I just thought the person maybe was mistaken, but I did leave an open mind. Now I see that this happens to more people than I realise. This person is also now getting electronically harassed.)

There are other things, but you get to the stage where you are like, it's not just me. This has been the hardest part to wrap my mind around. It's not just me. Even when I first came online and found out about Gang Stalking, I was like wow this happens to other people?
What I am seeing and experiencing offline, is a much more common phenomenon, much more widespread, and much more awareness. The Civilian Spies know they are Civilian Spies, some realise exactly what's going on, some don't know, or don't seem to realise how widespread this is. There seems to be quite a few people being kept in line this way, controlled this way, conformed this way.

If you are not aware of it, it will sound crazy to you, it would have sounded crazy to me, but you have to experience it to believe it.

Rumours, and the reason that they seem to like the system. They are all connected. That means that if you are a target and person A says something about you, that information even if and when it's false can go out throughout the whole Civilian Spy/Snitch system. You might never hear back what is being said, but everyone else does and the zombies will act on that information, true or not true. Remember the following articles.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/08/14/news/korea.php

(Did anyone ever stop to wonder how information about this person in a few short weeks made it out to his school, work, community so much so that he had to quit his school, job, and his family had to move?)

http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB116855242776974364-OeszoAs0Sa3YsO80IOEwzj7Vfg8_20080112.html?mod=blogs

[quote][b]The digital age allows critics to quickly find a fair amount of information about their targets.[/b] One day last November, at about 11:30 a.m., a blog focused on making New York streets more bike-friendly posted the license plate number of an SUV driver who allegedly accelerated from a dead stop to hit a bicycle blocking his way.

At 1:16 p.m., someone posted the registration information for the license plate, including the SUV owner's name and address. (The editor of the blog thinks the poster got the information from someone who had access to a license-plate look-up service, available to lawyers, private investigators and police.) At 1:31 p.m., another person added the owner's occupation, his business's name and his title. Ten minutes later, a user posted a link to an aerial photo of the owner's house. Within another hour, the posting also included the accused's picture and email address.

The SUV's owner, Ian Goldman, the chief executive of Celerant Technology Corp. in the New York City borough of Staten Island, declined to comment for this article. According to an email exchange posted on the blog, Mr. Goldman said that he had lent the vehicle in question to a relative with "an urgent medical situation" and that he was not aware of any incident. The alleged victim has decided to drop the matter since the damage to the bicycle, which he was standing next to at the time, was under $20. Last month, Aaron Naparstek, editor of the blog, says he removed Mr. Goldman's home and email addresses from the site after receiving a "lawyerly cease and desist" email asking that the whole posting be deleted.
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Again these people are organised, the above two examples are just a few of many. Other examples of how this information network works and how fast it travels. Between cellphone, text messaging and what have you, these people are and can be more aware of your life than you are.

In my own situation I have seen rumours start in the workplace, and I can tell you that people along the way, know your business, true or not true. The other thing is, if you are a target and not a part of this snitch network, you often times are out of the loop and will not hear stuff back, or at all. You might never have a clue about what is being said or put out there about you, and thus have no way to defend yourself. The other thing that I find humorous somewhat, is that the Snitches then expect you to know what is being said about you, and feel justified in their actions that they take.

Eg. My most recent job, my P.A.M. I realised was starting one rumour after another, and what I did figure out, I tried to correct, but to no avail. People on the Snitch network of social friends, believe and trust other snitches. Why should they not, they are all the same thing. So really after figuring out that there was something afoot, and trying to get it corrected, I just gave up, because at the end of the day, people will believe what they want to believe. It's a wasteful process. Doesn't mean you can't try, but just realise what you are dealing with.

So you have at the end of the day, a society that is built on secrecy, people will cover things up, and they will keep their mouths shut for years, open secrets that are not really secrets. When they come out, you are almost amazed that they stayed covered up for so long but they did. The nice thing is sometimes these things do come out, but from what I have seen it often does not change things and these people just learn to cover their tracks better.

Eg. Children being abused by Priests, have you truly ever wondered how that was just not talked about, and yet so many people knew and there were so many victims, yet it remained a secret for how many decades?

Child sexual abuse, happens to so many apparently, but this was also something that was not discussed or talked about.

You would think this new openness would change all this stuff right? All that has happened with the church thing is that new cases now have to go through the Church before they can be prosecuted, now you can't get at them locally, it has to go through the Vatican first. Now it's easier to get away with molesting young kids. Also the church routinely let's Priest hold up at or around the Vatican in Rome, for sanctuary.

Molesters now use online services to group molest children, and in the digital age, parents are not smarter or more careful with their children. The predators get smarter and society seems to think that because this stuff is out in the open, they no longer have to have their guards up. Don't anyone wonder how they can have hundreds of thousands of kids in pictures, in poses, doing stuff, where are the parents? Where is the guard that society is now suppose to be on?

Kids are still molested in their homes, and in many cases the conspiracy of silence still continues. Cause that's what society is good at.

Civilian Spies, have been around for over a hundred years, snitches go back far into history. Even as this gets exposed, and you realise like I have on some level that it's not just me. It won't change this. I mean for a time it will, but only long enough to teach these people how to better cover their darkness.

Control, conformity, corruption can happen out in public and that is the best place for it. We have a society of secrecy happening, if you don't know, you likely will not believe, I know I could not have a year and a half ago, I would have argued it into the ground. Even now that I know or realise on some level, it's hard to deal with. There is not a day that I don't shake my head, and wonder how they can go along with it. I know the answer in many ways, fear, power, conformity, fitting in, and ofcourse the secrecy of it all. That silence that let's you be a part of something great, and the penalty for revealing what you know. Be it being socially annexed, or also Gang Stalked and Electronically Harassed. It's just another society where you know the rules, spoken or unspoken. First rule of stalk club, you don't talk about stalk club, second rule of stalk club, you don't talk about stalk club.


Anyways that's the post.

Mark is right when he says it's not a subset of society, but I don't know if he realises that this seems to be just how society is. The ones that are not in the know, really don't know. I didn't. The ones that do know, know how to keep their mouths shut, and they don't step out of line.

You have smaller group examples of this, the military and hazing, churches and cults stalking people who leave, other subsets of society where secrecy is a must, but then there is society, where it's a society of secrecy. Even if and when this get's exposed and talked about, the light will not shine for very long, these people can cover their darkness so well, because they put it out there almost right into the open. That's the weird part that I understand on one level, but still can't come to terms with on another.

Fascist

I am just really disgusted. I saw a newspaper article that was talking about how horrible what they are doing in Tibet is. What the monks are going through. I just thought, what about what the government of these western countries are doing to their people. They really think their garbage does not reek. Well it does. (Don't get me wrong the Tibet situation is horrible, but then our smug, controlled media get to report it, and then we get to feel all good about ourselves, cause we are not like that. Yeah right, you are something worst, because your stuff is hidden, like a dark, dank, dirty little secret.)

I mean really this is what the state is doing.

1. You have wall to wall network of civilian snitches who actually think that pimping each other out is the right thing to do. No respect, and it's the modern day version of browncoats. Been there done that, the world didn't need it the first time around, and they don't need it now.
They really literally nauseate me. I mean to see them in their lame caravans, driving up and down, and walking up and down, it's disgusting.

2. The state is actually using aerial surveillance. (Not joking.) These creatures actually use and do utilise airplanes to track targets. (Who is the fascists now? That right you are.)

3. They are torturing their own citizens in their homes. I guess as long as the media does not report it, and you are not beating them to a bloody pulp in the street it's ok to torture people. You make me sick. It's so hypocritical. How can you critics other countries, when you do things that are far worst? It's like the community leader who runs the anti pedophile campaign, only to turn out to be a pedophile himself. Disgusting.

4. The reason that they move in around us, is because these creatures actually think that we are like their prisoners. They are guarding and watching us. It's like it's meant to be house arrest or something. Then they report your comings and goings, and whichever snitches are on patrol that day, follow you around. (They work in shifts.)

5. Oh when they know where you are, they will call the snitches on that block, and tell them to keep an eye out for you. Eg. (We have a mentally disturbed person in the area and we need your help, or whatever lie they are using. Remember this is your government doing this and allowing this. These same hypocrites will claim they did not know what was going on under these programs. There is just really something wrong with them.) To the target it's no better than what the KKK use to do to black people in the south, or the browncoats to the Jews in Germany. As usual the citizens of the state are eating this bs up. They really do think they are doing something good. This is the part that I really just don't get. I can grasp it with my mind, sort of, but I just can't understand it. I don't understand it any better than the German citizens turning on their neighbours doing the same thing. Here we go again. We are so smug, we don't realise, that we are doing the same thing now. (How can I judge. A year ago, I believed my country could do no wrong. I would never have believed anything bad about them, or that they could be capable of allow such things. Oh well, I was just so wrong.)

6. Well you know about being followed around in public. Oh and then let's say they loose you. The snitches if they think they have picked up the trail will call it in. They will give your height, description etc.

Remember targets it's the state allowing this. It's not being done by anyone else or anything else. Then these same people turn around and tell you who to hate, and how horrible and evil everyone else is. Oh the hypocrisy of it all. The sickness. There is literally something just wrong with them and a society that could go along with this.

Again if you understand nothing else, understand that these people think that they are doing something good, patriotic. Every fascist society goes though this. Every police state, etc. Fighting for the greater good my ass.

I got a chance to watch a clip from the 80's movie, mini series V. The clip I watched was this letter that Abraham writes to his family, about why they have to help. It's pretty compelling. When I was younger and I first watched it, I didn't realise that it was about resisting fascism. Some time later as I grew up, I realised that it was almost like a world war II movie, with the resistance fighters and all that. I never dreamed that someday when I grew up, I would be living and seeing, and experiencing my own version of that.

I mean you feel free, but you are not. Nothing better than tools for the state, and those who resist, or are deemed none compliant, none conformist end up like us. Targeted. Now who is the aggressive, crazy nation that is hurting it's own citizens. Get the beam out of your own eye, before you go complaining about specks in other peoples. You have way more issues in your own country than others have in theirs. You are like that upstanding politician by day, and that pervert who goes home, and does unspeakable things to their kids by night. Just gross. At least in other countries, when they run over their people with tanks, we know what time of day it is. Here you torture and torment from a distance, then you form these fake committee's, and pretend you are so good and so moral, and you are not. You are just as bad if not worst than the others.

These countries are suppose to stand for freedom and democracy. They are suppose to be an example to the rest of the world, but instead, you are just as bad as every other government on the planet, you are just better at hiding what you are doing. You are literally doing some of the most evil and immoral things, and you are just better at hiding it.

Oh I noticed that the scrambling news site is gone offline for some time now. I wonder if they are trying to get rid off all traces of their bs? (Scrambling news was the satellite stealing site, that sold the book by David Lawson. The book that tried to make people think that gang stalking was caused by right wing, anti government groups.) Anyways.

It's so horrible because you think, if I was living in a fascist, or police state I would know it. On T.V. and in movies, they always have tanks, and uniforms and they are marching in the streets. Well just because you have not given the snitches uniforms, it's no better. The worst part is, these hypocrites use to tell us how bad countries like Russia, and Germany were for doing the same crap they are doing. The hypocrisy is just really bothering me today.

It's realising how crazy, and truly creepy these people are. How just like Russia they are getting rid of dissident, activities, their version of enemies of the state. However again it's not the government that disappoints me, apparently there have always been corrupt regimes. No what disappoints me is that society just goes along with this. Don't get me wrong. I do realise not everyone is down with something this crazy, and creepy. I do realise that it might not be wise or reasonable for everyone to be as open and vocal about it. I do realise these people are creepy and dangerous, but then that is why something has to be said. I really do believe that "all that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." (Edmund Burke.)

We must resist all appearances of evil. (To the best of your ability.) The more I blog, the more I do realise that most of society is aware of what is going on. If you are not a target or a snitch then you will have no idea what I mean. I just realised that when not following a target, most times they just act normal and they don't use the one handed Stasi/Snitch speak, so you probably will not see that, unless you start speaking to them first. When they don't know that you are a target, they just seem so normal, it's easy to almost forget just how creepy this society is.

http://www.mvp-seattle.com/Pages/pageFascism.htm

12 signs of fascism. I think waking up and finding yourself a Targeted Individual is a pretty big sign.

It's sad, because I like to think these people grew up the same way I did, had the same values, morals, were on the same page, and they clearly were not. For every dissatisfied person, there are those all too happy to be snitches. In the movie V, (The one with the aliens.) In the clip I was watching the couple are afraid to help, because they have just been turned in by their son, who is a snitch. (God I wish I had understood this stuff better back then. So many others knew and understood these times so much better.) Anyways so they have been tortured ruffed up, and released back into the community to be an example to others, who would help the resistance movement. They are scared and rightfully so, and the wife is explaining why they can't help. Then the husband who had his arm broken, goes and get's a letter from his father. His father had survived Nazi Germany, only to be dog meat to a bunch of fascist aliens. Anyways, he reads the letter. It's a great letter, touching scene and they realise that they have to help the resistance, or they will have learnt nothing. It's a great scene, and relevant for our time period.
It's not like it made me hopeful, because this generation, they have forgotten and so we are to repeat this garbage all over again.

Aggressive nation with too much fire power attacking other countries, that did nothing to them. Concentration camps, fake attack that get's the wars started, and a fascist government, that controls a legion of snitches. Which time period am I referring to?
Anyways, just some reflections.

Oh last thing. The snitching thing. Apparently goes back to England and maybe before. So all the colonies and the branched off countries, at some point probably carried the snitching infection over with them. It's nothing new. I don't know if this concentration is anything new, or this level of corruption, but why should I think it is.
http://www.law.northwestern.edu/wrongfulconvictions/documents/SnitchSystemBooklet.pdf