Informant Signals

Below is an updated list of some of the signals that I have observed the informants using over the years. It's not a complete list, but it should help get the average person started in snitch speak.

Remember the actual terms might not be exact, but this is a general gist of what they use the signals to convey. These were picked up over the last few years, on the streets. I have spent hours watching, researching.

A lot of this was picked up as I was being tortured in my home. I would go out and watch them, part of the biggest problem in the beginning was figuring out how they were communicating, how the message were being passed, how they were coordinating to harass me.

If you have read the blog, I have discussed, the fact that their is often a conductor who the snitches look to, they are also given instructions. Eg. Circle the target, they always want the target in a square. They always want to be on all four sides to feel like they are guarding the target.

Some are brilliant at passing signals, some are horrible. You learn a lot from the horrible ones. The signals are passed in different ways culturally. I have blogged about this before. When I was just watching them and learning their language it was fascinating to watch as people from this culture passed a signal in this way, vs another that way.

Eg. The squeezing the nose to indicate I understand it passed by some by putting the hand up the nose. Very gross, but very interesting. Culturally just like with any language, or variation of accents, the signals also have their own distinctions. Eg. I first saw someone of Spanish decent explaining that where they were from they used the center of the forehead, not the hand over the eyes.


I was fascinated by the fact that this must have been ongoing for some time, but I never had a clue. I was disgusted and nauseated to discover that on a daily basis most of the people around me, knew this language. It meant they were informants, citizens of the state, and thus not on my side. Still it was interesting to learn.

There is so much more to how they function, but I am disgusted by the stupidity I see. I think to understand them, you had to have some fascination or appreciation of how they functioned, I don't think I will ever have that again, but maybe someday, someone else will.


1. Open Communication.

#Yawning and placing the hand over the mouth, or taking a drink to open communications

The most common signal that I have observed the informants using is their open communication signal.

This can be done in a variety of ways, but the most common way is to take a sip of water or drink from any container.

The open communication signal can also be conveyed via, pretending to yawn, or by putting the hand over the mouth.


They use this signal to engage other informants in the communication process.

There are other ways to pass this signal but this is the basics for now.


#Car patrols will flash their lights to open communication with foot patrols

When an informant is on foot, the cars will flash lights to open communication. In the Targeted Individual Community it was thought that this was just being used at night to annoy targets, but flashing the lights is used to identify themselves to their foot patrols.




2. Coughing


This signal is not only used to harass targets, but it's also their way of getting the attention of other snitches.

Eg. If an informant is not paying attention and you want to begin the open communication process you can cough, clear the throat. Then you will usually see other communication between the informants.


3. On Watch

# Rubbing or touching the eyes or corners of the eyes or placing on glasses indicating you are on watch.

This is the signal that you will see informants use most often. They will do this in a variety of ways.

The basic way of indicating this is done by placing one hand over the eyes.

You can also just rub one eye or the other.

They will use eye glasses, sun glasses, by placing them on the face it indicates the same thing.

A new way of doing this is by also rubbing the center of the forehead, where your third eye would be if you had one.


#In some cities headphone are also used to indicate that Informants are on patrol


4. I don't understand


Pulling on the ear. Seems to indicate that the receiver has not understood what the sender has said.


5. I know.

#Briefly tapping or squeezing the nose, indicates that you understand.

You will see this quite often and it's their way of indicating that they know, or that they understand.

# The double blink to indicate understanding etc.

If their hands are full, or they can not pass a signal any other way, this can also be used to indicate understanding.

6. At Rest

This is done by placing the hand to the side of the head. The thinking mans pose. It seems to indicate that the informants are at rest, no action is happening.


7. Stop Signalling/Communication

This is done by placing the index finger to the lips, and making a semi circle. or clasp motion. They stop communication and go silent when this signal is given.


8. Greeting.

When out in public, they brush their hair back three times, but this is done at the back of the neck not at the front. It seems to be a greeting to help identify them with each other yet again.


9. What's happening, What's going on.


# Brushing back the front hair 3 times



10. Directional signals.

Eg. When out in public they will often tell each other to walk left right, etc, with the nose. Eg. The index finger below the nose to the left would tell the other informant to go left. To the right would tell the other informant to go right.

They might also use these directional signal to indicate the direction of the target that is on watch, but by doing so with the eyes. (This needs confirmation)

Iwatch. Nationwide citizen watch program

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,561661,00.html

New iWatch Program Urges Citizens to Be 'Eyes and Ears' Against Terror Plots, iWatch is a nationwide community watch program

[quote]
A new program aimed at keeping Americans safe from terror attacks will rely on individual citizens to serve as "the eyes and ears" of their communities.

iWatch is a community watch program endorsed by police chiefs across the U.S. that teaches people how to detect suspicious behavior and report it to police.[/quote]

Other sutable names. Istasi, Istalk, Iharass, Iturninmyneighbour and many more.

[quote]

L.A. Police Chief William Bratton, who developed the program with Police Commander Joan McNamara, called it the 21st century version of Neighborhood Watch, a program that encourages local residents to stay alert and informed about their neighborhoods.

"A single observation, a single report can lead to actions that can stop a terrorist attack," warns a Public Safety Announcement video released by the LAPD.[/quote]

A single report can do so much damage, just like in Russia or the Stasi Era.



[quote]When the chiefs of the 63 largest police departments in the U.S. and Canada met to endorse iWatch at a conference last Saturday, they cited the case of Najibullah Zazi — the Denver man suspected of having ties to Al Qaeda who has been accused of plotting to use a weapon of mass destruction within the U.S.[/quote]

Wow Big Brother Canada was also there what a surprise.


Anyways as I have said a billion times these types of programs will come to the public light, this one is a program that is nationwide, and Canada somehow seems to be taking apart. All we need now is one that is planet wide, coming soon to a one world government near you.

These programs will come to light, Gang Stalking will be proven, but will anyone care? See it won't be proving it, I don't think that will be the big hurdle, much of that has already been done and overcome. Getting the ameba to show any remorse will be the real challenge and I don't really know that that will happen.




http://www.lapdonline.org/iwatchla


[quote]iWATCH, iREPORT, i KEEP US SAFE (iWATCH) is a community awareness program created to educate the public about behaviors and activities that may have a connection to terrorism.

This program is a community program to help your neighborhood stay safe from terrorist activities. It is a partnership between your community and the Los Angeles Police Department. We can and must work together to prevent terrorist attacks.

To learn about the iWATCH program and about the behaviors and activities that you should report, view the videos and review the list of examples. You can also read and download a brochure that explains the program.

Remember that the iWATCH program is about behaviors and activities, not individuals. [/quote]

Ipuke, Igag, I am sorry, but this sucks. If they are being so open about it then the snitch force is complete enough for them to be this open and this proud about.

Well I just thought it might be interesting to read.

Down with snitching clearified.

http://gangstalking.wordpress.com/2009/06/24/down-with-the-snitching/

I blogged the above post really early in the morning and so not a good time for blogging, so I thought I would go over it, I made a lot of points and i want to make sure I did it correctly.

Construction projects.

Many targets complain about these, and in my personal experience, they use these projects as an excuse to help with the monitoring and surveillance of the area.

Sure there is always construction ongoing so how can we be sure it's directed at us. I have lived several years on the planet, and there has often been construction ongoing, but never like this.
It's not just construction at the last two locations that lasted for months or years on end, it's going to interviews, and by the time you get out a little construction, or drilling in the street you are going to pass just springs up. It's happened a few times, coincidence? A few times too many.
It happens for me and most other targets I know. As we are able to compare notes, this is a frequent theme that comes up, and they also see a pattern of extraordinary construction that has gone out of bounds.

Companies closing or change of owners.

This is another thing that I have noticed. Changes of owners. Let's say you had a store where the family were not going along with the snitching, suddenly they are out of business, or the store ownership changes. The things that I have further noticed is that within this change, specific products that were available, that the store specialized in are not there. Which makes no sense.
Targets complain about stores being out of products they use when they get there, even if they go to other locations, the products are out of stock.

This sounds crazy at first, but it's not. They watch and record everything that we buy. There is always someone behind us in the line, to mentally record the products the target purchased. They also watch what we take off the shelf, so they know if our diets change. They know which products to be out of, or if they can stop ordering all together.

In comparing notes amongst several targets, this is a pattern that they have also recorded and noted.

In the DT Stockton report he also documents the means that they use to put companies out of business. I don't know if the document is authentic, but much of what it says, sounds valid.
In my own experience, what I have seen with my customers is them being paid off or ordered this that or the other for not working with me. Eg. Trying to get my customers to leave from working with me. The ones that have stayed have recorded Gang Stalking patterns in their own lives. Based on some of what I hear back about what is happening this seems to be the case. Either go along with the system or be bowled over by it. This was the same with the Stasi, refuse to spy, have your life messed with.

Fired

I spoke of a group that had messed with my phones and performed other petty events that made me choose to change location and disassociate with them, while still in the work placed. They also got me written up. This is correct and first hand experience.

Getting me fired. I had heard from a third party, not related or associated with the story that person B) had been the cause. Since the third party would have no reason to lie, they were either correct, or if mistaken then it was not intentional, but this is what I heard back.

I did not mean to imply that person A) had requested for person B) to take such actions. What I meant to imply was that because of the association, person B) was inclined to take such actions.
Eg. I once had another, unrelated situation, where a friend come up and told me that person B) who was also friend with my friend, person A), that person B) hated me. I was really surprised, and I was like what? Why? Apparently because of my friendship with person A) for no other reason. My friend said person B) was really jealous of the the friendship and just hated my guts, and to watch my back. Other things were said, but you get the idea. So it's not to indicate that person A) made person B) take action against me, but person B) hated me, because of my associating with person A).

People will hate for stupid reasons.

Back to the first situation, anyways I did later run into these two on separately on different occasions and I did just walk away and ignore them both. So that was also first hand experience.
I think when some people are around you, they bring bad things into your realm, be in this one or another. (If you believe such things, and when they are gone, your life get's better.) I believe some others bring good things into your life, and when they are around, things just get better and better.

In my experience if someone cares about you, really cares about you, it's like a protective shield, I don't care if it's a best friend, love, child, parent, etc, when someone cares about you, truly cares about you, they bring, honor, grace, and love into your life, and good energy towards you and things go good.

I find others with selfish or bad intentions towards you, or who hate you, bring you down, and create very negative situations, and should be avoided at all cost, on all realms. I think the difference shows.

If you are in a situation, friendship, and you have doubts or questions, just ask yourself, what kinds of experiences, situations, events, do they bring in your life, how does it make your soul feel? That's a good way to start to gauge if this person is an asset or a liability for your life.

Some people feel good to be around, you might even feel happy to be around them, but they could still be an energy draining type of person, and bring bad things into your realm. It's about energy, and you want to connect with the right types of people. People who are feeders, who feed off of others, can associate and they will be just fine, because they have nothing to lose, and they give out nothing, but if you then place yourself in that situation, you might notice a lot of negative happenings in your life, and it might be a good idea to disconnect and disassociate from that situation. Usually when you do, you will see an improvement in your life. Some situations are unhealthy.

Fishing expeditions.

They try to find out what targets are sensitive to? what they will react to? What you can use to engage them? There is usually what I call a conductor telling people where to sit, where to stand, should they approach the target, when to conduct an action when not to. In this regard it's more coordinated then we realise.

Jiverly and Kimveer

I don't believe that they ever found the Gang Stalking sites. I think having a community to socialize with could have been very helpful. I think it might have help to stop some of this from happening.


Police Controlled

They don't really have to be police controlled. You have lot's of co-workers and other in the community, that are just regular snitches, that are more than happy to mess with your stuff. Remember in regular case of mobbing we hear about this stuff all the time. Stealing stuff, messing with their things, and other parasitic mobbing behaviours. They don't have to be police controlled snitches. I was just pointing out that if you are in desperate situations it can be easier to manipulate you.

Immigration

These people have my full sympathy. I don't believe their immigration situations should be used, to get them to do things, or as leverage, but this is getting used. I think it's horrible. If you thought the drug cases were bad this is worst.

Imagine being a mother or a father, separated from your kids, you have no way of getting in communication with them, seeing them etc, and you want them to come here, and you have a gun being held to your head. You have some third party holding you hostage in this way, and manipulating you. Your situation is just as vulnerable, if not more vulnerable then the drug informants.

The same is true for husbands kept from their wives, wives kept from husbands. Kids kept from dying or sick parents.

A lot of immigrants are hard working, they come here and just like everyone else they want a chance. To manipulate them like this is cruel and wrong, and it should never be used as leverage, but in a Stais like society, everything is used as leverage. You attack and go after people's vulnerabilities. I think it's wrong, and I feel very sad for them.

That's why I don't think they should be used. If people like Rachel Hoffman were vulnerable due to their situation, then immigrants are equally as vulnerable because of their circumstances and they should not be used and manipulated that way.

Portrayal of a target

I mentioned that they are going for the crazy thing the same way that Russia did. This is not made up, I have heard this back many times. I again think that's funny. You have people saying that being on the Internet is a sign of mental illness, so I guess a lot of people are crazy. I always wonder who get's to decided these things?

As I have also mentioned as time goes on, I get other things, they go fishing and try to add on other things. So you just have to watch your back.

Torture

Some people think that this is just about the target being sleep deprived. If you had someone using a laser on you, or radar gun, or transducers below the dry wall, then maybe you would understand that it's also physical torture.

Then you have the psychological things. People trying to get you upset so that they will get you to lash out. So a lack of sleep, being tortured, then you are expected to function, while being constantly provoked, and I did mention the complete stupidity of many in this program, added to their lack of a moral center, and their ability to forget what's legal or moral, anything to fit in, and go along with the group and you have dangerous situations.

It is not the lone event, it is the accumulation, done over a period of time. This is the reason why mobbing had been so successful, and we have seen mobbing targets snap by just being mobbed at work. Targeted Individual have a Triple fight on their hands. They are mobbed at work, in the community, and in their homes, plus they get the added benefit of torture.

This is why I speculate that this might well be getting used to groom targets to snap. If you know what makes someone tick, you might be able to get them to snap when you want to as well. I mean these actions, these activities are being recorded for someone, for something, and so this is a reasonable speculation.

The windows shaking, and the walls dancing, would be more transducer stuff. But if you touch the walls, if feels like a sheet of electricity, in my opinion. It just vibrates. It feels so freaky.

Corrupted Results

I changed my minds, even if these people are not controlled informants, they are equally as dangerous and capable of giving corrupted results. Anytime you have a country that has it's citizens spying on each other, you are going to run into bad situations. The police controlled informants, on the surface have more vulnerabilities than the other informants, but each are capable of giving corrupted results, or following secondary agendas. It's just with police controlled informants, they might not know their rights, be more desperate, and more at the mercy of these people. However on a psychological level, the person who wants to fit in, who wants to avoid being targeted themselves, can be equally bullied into performing immoral actions.

We saw this in Stasi Germany with what good people were wiling to do to their neighbours, friends, family, lovers, children, parents, and we saw this is in Hitler's Germany, with the community helping to round up persons of Jewish origin. The state can motivate people to do
horrendous things to each other.

Leasing the snitch.

They wonder why I dislike them.

I was in my apartment as usual minding my own business, when I heard my door press in, but it's locked so it just makes that sound, like someone is trying the door. Anyways I went to investigate. So I stand there. The door does it again. I check the peep hole, but don't see anything, but the door does it again. Like someone is pushing in my door. I also press on the door from the inside, and the door presses again, like someone is pushing it in. So I open it, cause I want to see who is there.

I know not a sane thing to do at that time of the night, but really. Guess what a shock it's the creepy neighbour guy. So I am like WTH are doing at my door at this time of night? He has nothing to say, because he has just been caught. It's like the last time I caught this loser peeking through the slot at the same time of night. Maybe he has an early morning disease that makes him have to peek into other people's homes, or attempt to push in or open the door. My personal theory is that he is probably an ex jail job, one of those ones they let out, and one that I would keep little kids away from. Then again I don't like him.

These people wonder why I want bad things to happen to them, just like the last time I caught this guy at the door, he had nothing to say and just goes back into his apartment. I don't know if he was trying to break in, or just rip down my signs again, but the f*cker is creepy as hell. He is exactly what I think those former Stasi types would look like.

Let's see as a Targeted Individual, I know better than to waste time with the police. I no longer trust them after my experiences with trying to get the Gang Stalking stopped. The last time I tried to file a report with them, if you recall they were kind enough to twist the details. At the same time, the snitch needs to be put on a very short lease. I really find it offensive that these people get away with this stuff. I would not doubt if the loser came up with a story of how he was out for an innocent stroll, when I just magically decided to open the door at the same time and start yelling at him. I am sure that these people, are are as creepy as they were in East
Germany, or worst.

I don't want to make too light a deal of this, because I am pretty sure they use mentally disturbed people, and he may well in time prove to be one of these types of people, but at the same time, I don't want to blow it out of proportion either. Who knows if he will wonder to any other doors in future, maybe actually break into an apartment in future. Then again they all cover for each other so I wonder if it would even matter, if a snitch commits a crime against another snitch is it really a crime? Finding the right balance, protecting myself, society and punishing creepy Stasi losers.

Sensitivities and Setup's

I have written about this before, but let me write about this again. I was recently watching the Russell Tice interview, you know the NSA whistle-blower and at the end of the show Keith Olbermann thanks him enthusiastically for at least letting him know what's coming down the line, cause at least when you know what's coming, you have a chance and you can fight against it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibIUQOoRFx4

See this is what the Gang Stalking World website and others like it are equipped for. I remember when I first learnt about this stuff, it was shocking and if I had no idea what electronic harassment was at the time, I would have done really badly when they started burning and torturing me in my home.

It's shocking at first to realise that you can be burnt, fried, and remotely tortured in your home. That you might have trouble proving it. But knowing what was coming down the line, I knew it might be a possibility and when it started happening, I knew what it was. I didn't want to accept it, and it took me three full weeks to truly believe that it was happening, despite all the physical evidence to the contrary. I shared the details with very few people at first, and eventually started to talk about it more openly.

Being forwarded meant 100% being forearmed. The other thing was at the time when this was going on over 2 and a half years ago now I still had my sensitivity at the time. This means that I was still sensitive to the original sensitivity that they purposely sensitised me to.

I really needed to know what was happening, so I left the job, and used my own money to do the research into what was behind Gang Stalking. I think if you are dealing with something like being targeted in this manner you have to take the time to figure out what is happening, and how best to deal with it. At the time I ran a site for other forms of harassment and Gang Stalking World came to a little bit later that year.

I remember at first trying to talk about this stuff and posts would get deleted, or people would try to get the subject discussed, and threads would get closed. People wanted this out in the open but they just couldn't talk about it. So for me, I couldn't not talk about it. I think for people to not talk about Gang Stalking, is like when rape victims couldn't talk about their rapes openly and it was a taboo subject. Well only by bringing taboo subjects to the forefront, does this change.

Today the topic is openly discussed and debated online, and it's become much more normalised in society. I can look back and see from whence we came, and we have made some ground.

Anyways back to my sensitivity. During the time I started to research this and my electronic harassment began, I stayed close to home, mostly spent hours online researching, you have the proof of that, via my various posting and the websites. I am good at researching. I love and did well in programs at school with researching. I think Karmically it's in etheric genes. I think it's always been a part of my makeup in one capacity or another. Even before Gang Stalking, my energies were diverted into research in other areas, you get small quirks of that via my postings here and there.

So during my time of initial research, they would burn me in my home remotely and try to sensitise me to loud drilling noises. Knowing about Anchors and what was coming, I never become sensitized to anything new. More importantly I had time to deal with my previous sensitivity. By the time I started a new job, the next year, my original sensitivity was about 75-80% removed.

The fun part was they were so sure they had tortured me till I had linked loud drilling and negatively correlated it. I would go to places, and by the time I would leave, a mini construction project would pop up. Someone with loud drill on the street, or sometimes even just fixing this elevator shaft, drill. I got a kick out of their stupidity, and my awareness of what they were trying to do. It was always a false report that I had become sensitized to this, but that did not stop them.

The original sensitivity would go away a few months later, while I was in between jobs again. The nice thing about those times is not only do I get stuff done, but I am able to work on me. The sensitivity didn't just go away, I mean I had to work at it. It wasn't just like it magically went away, I had to condition myself to not have a negative correlation anymore. This took time and practice, but I have not been sensitive since about June almost 2 years now. This coming June will be about 2 years.

They constantly try to make it look like I am sensitive. I have seen them, but I have not been for some time. This does not stop setup's and the attempts to make it look like I am. The problem with the targeting is even if the target does not show a reaction to something, and they want to set up the target, or some nasty informant does, it's quite easy. Much like getting someone fired from their job by bearing false witness against them, there are amoral douchebags that are willing to crawl out of every corner if you let them.

I have blogged before about being on the train and witnessing them harassing someone who was not the target, but they thought it was, that person was not happy about it, and eventually let them know it. The problem is, it get's reported back as the target reacting. In another scenario when I was back at the original financial institution when I was still sensitive, a incident happened outside of the workplace, that much I am aware of. People kept coming by referencing this and that, and how could you? (Blatant idiots.) Since I wasn't responsible, I just said nothing. A couple of days later, it became apparent that I was not the person at the heart of said incident. No apologies ofcourse, just the stupid fake niceness, which is almost as nauseating, if not more so. The point is, incidents happen all the time. It's very possible for a snitch to misrepresent an incident, false report one, or just make stuff up. A lot of these people don't have morals, and if they think you deserve it, they won't hesitate. I have said it before and I will say it again,these people shouldn't be anywhere near me, and in any position to come and judge me.

The problem is if they think that you are one of them, or on their level for some reason, they will do what they like. Usually I avoid things and people that might mistakenly lower me to that level, but no one is perfect, and well if you hang out with people that are dirt, people will see you as the same. Avoid people that are dirt. A simple lesson. Keep it in mind.

For targets who are sensitive I do think you can break your sensitivity. I have written about this before. I have shared the techniques that I used to break mine, and I think you can gradually breaks yours. I can't teach you however how to stop yourselves getting set up by snitches, who have no morals or decency to speak of. The truth is, you don't even have to be in attendance to get set up. These set up's were prevalent during Cointelpro and they continue. The people that run these programs are not above it, and no matter how many times you relay that you are not sensitive, people are dumb enough to believe anything. You can't and should not be held responsible for human stupidity.

Sometimes I think these people don't like what's happening to them, then other times I realise they are right at home with it in some cases. They are the same kinds or types of people that a specific messiah dealt with so many years ago, and the same is true now. You get people who are just there to try to provoke you and set you up, bear false witness against you. Then you get the few that really want to learn and that you can do some good for, and then the rest that are of the world and will continue to act accordingly. The reason these people have done so well in controlling these societies is because they know human nature they have studied it. They know the weaknesses, the vices, the failings and they manipulate and work on it. I like to believe people want to change, but most times when I see them, more and more I just think they are comfortable where they are. I am not saying they like it, but it's just still comfortable enough so they don't see a need to push back, it has not yet fully crossed that pain threshold, and by the time it does, people will be so hopelessly enslaved and monitored it will make little difference. (which reminds me I need to do a post about the switch from analog to digital.)

If you are a target, I would just say be aware of set up's. The people running these program will set you up, they have no morals, no decency and you have no way of knowing what's being said about you in most cases except for the fact that it's not true. The army of informants are not moral, and they are not designed to be. They are designed to follow and carry out orders, and to find it funny to destroy targets. Again this is a broad generalization, because within this are decent people who are caught up in the informant game. There is good and bad everywhere.

For me personally I will be my own witness, since about June of just under 2 years ago, the original sensitivity has been gone, and I have never acquired a new one. Could it ever come back, don't know, but so far it has not. I was able to recreate it, in scenarios with a normal functionality for a long enough period of time for the negative association to be removed. Again though snitch are stupid, not all, but enough so that they believe anything, and a people that will not think for themselves, are primmed to have other do it for them. Don't like it tough, it's true. I get that snitches can't be everywhere at once, and trust the snitching hotline for their information, but this is where they are strong, and people this is where they are weak. The same way they can use it to destroy us, we can in turn use it against them. What's good for the goose can work for the gander. Keep it in mind.

Not much else to say. For the people that are out there that are decent, I appreciate you, I am sorry for you, and I do hurt with you, and I don't always know what to say, or do. I send you my best, I hope for you the best, and I do pray that we find a way out together. For the others, you are right where you need to be, with each other, and when you get your fate met, and dealt to you, you probably won't even know the difference, because you already live, work, breath and vibrate at that level. I am going to leave the rest of this post for now. This is already long enough.

How do they do it?

How did they do it? This is what I am wondering how did they live with the hypocrisy of it all? While the west was busy insulting countries like East Germany for their snitches and informants they were doing the same thing.

This system is not a new thing, we saw an increase of this recently in some of our lives, but just reading about the John Lennon files and and many others I ask the question, how did they live with the hypocrisy of it all?

They had citizen informants while the Stasi had theirs, they were conducting widescale investigations, and this has been ongoing for some time, yet we use to really look down on countries like that. Our country is not like that, we don't do those things. It's like the time those tv evangelist got caught with their pants down.

It's the most irritating thing, knowing what I now know. So I just had to ask that question. How did they do it?

I am revising my earlier statement, though many are a part of the informant system, some do not understand the bigger picture that is ongoing. Eg. They are asked to take part in the operation, but maybe believe that it's just observation of an individual and have no idea of the wider plague that's happening. I wouldn't even know where to begin. How do you tell these people the full scope of what you are aware of, and what they are a part of? It feels so wrong to make them aware. In some ways I would like to leave them in their innocence, but then they will just have this wave wash over them and they won't know what hit them. It's six of one, half dozen of the other.

A couple of fun things we can do to mess with them. They use a lot of disinformation with us, so I find that turn around is fair play and it works really well, so use at your own discretion, and use it wisely.

They need time to set up their operation. Eg. Whenever I go someplace really unexpectedly, or do something unexpected, you can tell that it takes them time to get their informants into play, and get the game going. They are not as slick as they seem. Don't get me wrong, they will be everywhere, but they are not as slick as they think they are.

Eg. I related the story back before I knew what was ongoing. I had called for school in the U.S. and had spoken to a Cathy several times, I was really familiar with her, then I had decided to look at some Canadian school's, and called, well I spoke to a Cathy, got all my information from Cathy, and as I got off the phone, I realised it was Cathy. The same Cathy that I had been speaking to. Now this was before I knew about Gang Stalking, but at that stage, I knew there was something seriously wrong. Later I would find out that Cathy or Kathy or whatever is or was a common name they would use.

The targets if they arrived at a place and were looking for a target, would also use specific names to pass on the fact they were looking for a specific person. So phone calls, unknown online communications, all surveillance. Expect that if you are communicating with someone who is not an informant today, these people will go behind your back, and make contact with them if they can, and manipulate the situations.

They did this when I owned a business. Contacted all my customers behind my back. One client introduced another client to me, named Cathy, at the time I was really unaware, but that should give you some idea. They tried to get my clients to leave, or introduce people to cause stress to my company. Lot's of little things i would find out later on. That they had done and been doing for years, before I became aware. They truly are parasitic.

So how can you get at them? How can you win? Well I was thinking about this, and the slaves of the system, the aware that know what is going on, you probably stand a better chance of destroying them internally than most of us, externals. I mean you have the chance to learn and know more about how they operate, if they are chipping you, and others like you. The way the communication system works, the little commands you get from the earphones. You can chip away at this. I don't know that the way to win or even fight this is outright rebellion, but I think if you slowly chip away at it, this might be the way to go.

I am not sure what that means yet fully, but that was the answer that came to me. I have been thinking about this a lot. You have to understand, these people will go out of their way to do just about anything to get to the target. Mess up construction projects that go months at a time. Moving into buildings, contacting all your customers, and if you are working with other, your business partners. Etc. They will try to be in control of every aspect of your life.

Eg. When I use to have the phone available with more easy access, they would have a variety of people call, but it would be at such specific times, that you knew it was on behalf of them, that constant need to make contact with the target. If you are not under observation it's hard to understand this.

That seems to be the best solution. The ones that are inside, you need to find ways to chip away at it. Like a piece of rock. Doesn't have to be big chunks, just little things over time. Eventually the rock will crumple. See this is what they use on us, but I have been thinking about it, and the same method, should work on them. I am just not sure what this truly means yet, but that's the answer that came to me.

Anyways, so that was my question. How do they do it? How do they still criticize countries like China, and how could they have criticized countries like East Germany, when the same stuff was ongoing here, and in greater capacity?

Anyways it's something to think about.

Obedience to authority

Many people wonder why these informants go along with this? Why would anyone go along with causing the suicide of their fellow citizens, or enacting cruelty on someones cats, dogs, kids, family, property etc? Why would you knowingly go along with a practice that many would consider to be evil?

The answer is obedience to authority. As long as an authority figure is giving the orders, experiments have shown that most people will go along with whatever is being ordered, even if those orders are to inflict pain on another human being.

Let's start with the Milgram experiments.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mst1h31daV4
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

[quote]Ordinary people, simply doing their jobs, and without any particular hostility on their part, can become agents in a terrible destructive process. Moreover, even when the destructive effects of their work become patently clear, and they are asked to carry out actions incompatible with fundamental standards of morality, relatively few people have the resources needed to resist authority.[4]
[/quote]

As part of the experiment a stranger off the street is asked to shock an individual as part of a learning or behaviour modification experiment. The person doing the shocking is told that this will help the person to learn the answers to the question. The person being shocked has agreed to the experiment.

The person giving the shocks is giving a test shock of the lowest voltage to see what the pain is like. It's not pleasant. They are told that if the person fails to answer the question, they are to increase the voltage and to keep shocking the person till they get the answer correct.

The person giving the answers starts to get the questions wrong, they are asked to keep going by the person in authority. The person answering the questions, starts to scream out in pain, sometimes even screaming, my heart, my heart.

Many times the person giving the shock wants to stop what they are doing, but they are told don't pay it any mind we have to keep going, and so they are goaded on by the experimenter to the end of the experiment. 65% of those in the studied continued to the very end of the voltage metre.

Now imagine you are an average citizen, you are asked to become an Informant by the state, country that you love. At some point you realise that what you are doing is wrong and that people are being harmed. Let's say you come across a Gang Stalking website, and realise what you are taking part in. How can you stop?

First you are bound by a gag order, so you can't say anything. Second if you go to the police, local authorities, they are taking part, so you can't go there, human rights organizations, the same thing. Since becoming an Informant you realise that this is systemic and that the majority of your community is in some way taking part. What do you do where do you turn?

You can ask to not take part, but many people are afraid of being targeted themselves the same way, experiencing the same sort of harassment. There is a real cult like mentality about what is happening, even if most people do not identify it as such, so how would you get out, much less help the target?

In many cases they can't, and some of them are as trapped as we are. Either get the punishment or give the punishment. Not a great choice. This is not true for all of them, some are just really lowlifes and happy to go along with this, and would report anyone not following suit.

Within the system you can try to hint to the target about what is happening, try to help expose what is happening. Don't allow yourself to feel or become powerless, keep thinking, keep finding ways, try to keep feeling. If you let the stress of the situation overwhelm you, a part of you disassociates emotionally, and you became biddable, capable of not much but following orders.
How quickly can this shift come about, in a really short space of time. The Milgram experiment happened within an hour or two.

The next experiment happened over a few days.

The Stanford Prison Experiment.

http://www.prisonexp.org/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment

The scary part about this, is that thy knew in advance that they were part of an experiment, they were paid for it, they agreed to it and everything. The experiment was suppose to last 2 weeks, but had to be ended after six days. One group of students were assigned to the role of prisoners, another to the role of guards.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0jYx8nwjFQ

[quote]As the experiment proceeded, several guards became progressively sadistic. Experimenters said that approximately one-third of the guards exhibited genuine sadistic tendencies. Interestingly, most of the guards were upset when the experiment concluded early.
Zimbardo argued that the prisoner participants had internalized their roles, based on the fact that some had stated that they would accept parole even with the attached condition of forfeiting all of their experiment-participation pay. Yet, when their parole applications were all denied, none of the prisoner participants quit the experiment. Zimbardo argued they had no reason for continued participation in the experiment after having lost all monetary compensation, yet they did, because they had internalised the prisoner identity, they thought themselves prisoners, hence, they stayed.[/quote]

The prisoners (students pretending to be prisoners) started to riot, the cops (students pretending to be cops) started to get brutal with them. Made them do all sorts of sick and sadistic things. Tried to get some to turn into snitches, one prisoner faked being crazy to get out, they turned on each other in some cases, and just fell in line with obeying authority, in most cases. The person conducting the experiment actually thought he was a warden, he got so caught up in the role.

[quote]In psychology, the results of the experiment are said to support situational attributions of behavior rather than dispositional attribution. In other words, it seemed the situation caused the participants' behavior, rather than anything inherent in their individual personalities. In this way, it is compatible with the results of the also-famous Milgram experiment, in which ordinary people fulfilled orders to administer what appeared to be damaging electric shocks to a confederate of the experimenter.[/quote]

The experiment at the time was used to help better understand the psychological changes that prisoners and their jailers go through. Later it was used to help explain the situation at Abu Ghraib with the prisoner abuses.

The Strip Search Prank Call

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strip_search_prank_call_scam

This experiment was anything but. Because a crank caller pretended to be an authority figure. A Police officer, average people were willing to carry out horrible actions on innocent people.
[quote]The strip search prank call scam was a series of incidents occurring for roughly a decade before 2004. These incidents involved a man calling a restaurant, claiming to be a police detective, and convincing managers to conduct strip-searches of female employees. Reports of over 70 such occurrences in 30 U.S. states finally led to the arrest and charging of David R. Stewart, a 37-year-old Florida corrections officer.[/quote]

These are a few of the incidents that occurred in the wake of these phone calls.
[quote]A call to a McDonald's restaurant in Hinesville, Georgia resulted in a janitor performing a body cavity search on a 19-year old cashier.[5]A 17-year-old customer at a Taco Bell in Phoenix, Arizona was strip-searched by a manager receiving this kind of prank call.[6]

On Nov. 30, 2000, the caller persuaded the manager at a McDonald's in Leitchfield, Kentucky, to remove her own clothes in front of a customer whom the caller said was suspected of sex offenses. The caller promised that undercover officers would burst in and arrest the customer the moment he attempted to molest her, said Detective Lt. Gary Troutman of the Leitchfield Police Department.[7]

On May 29, 2002, a girl celebrating her 18th birthday -- in her first hour of her first day on the job at the McDonald's in Roosevelt, Iowa -- was forced to strip, jog naked and assume a series of embarrassing poses, all at the direction of a caller on the phone, according to court and news accounts.[8]

On Jan. 26, 2003, according a police report in Davenport, Iowa, an assistant manager at an Applebee's Neighborhood Grill & Bar conducted a degrading 90-minute search of a waitress at the behest of a caller who said he was a regional manager -- even though the man had called collect, and despite the fact the assistant manager had read a company memo warning about hoax calls just a month earlier. He later told police he'd forgotten about the memo.[9] [/quote]

The callers downfall came when he was able to get one of these sheeple to sexually assault a teenage girl over the phone. All the while giving the instructions. She complied, because she was scared, frightened and an authority figure was on the phone giving instructions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFXeXK3szOk
http://www.mahalo.com/Louise_Ogborn_Video

[quote]The final prank call in this scheme was made to a McDonald's restaurant in Mount Washington, Kentucky on April 9, 2004. According to assistant manager Donna Summers, the caller identified himself as a policeman, 'Officer Scott', he described an employee whom he said was suspected of stealing a customer's purse. Summers called 18-year-old employee Louise Ogborn to her office and told her of the suspicion. Following the instructions of the caller, Summers ordered Ogborn first to empty her pockets, and finally to remove all her clothing except for an apron, in an effort to find the stolen items. Again following the caller's instructions, Summers had another employee watch Ogborn when she had to leave the office to check the restaurant. The first employee, 27 year old Jason Bradley, whom she asked to stay there refused to after he was on the phone with the caller, so she phoned her fiance Walter Nix, asking him to come in to 'help' with the situation. [10]

According to Ogborn, after Summers passed off the phone to Nix, he continued to do as the caller told, even as the caller's requests became progressively more bizarre. A security camera recorded Nix forcing Ogborn to remove her apron, the only article of clothing she was still wearing, and to assume degrading positions, such as standing on a chair and getting on all fours. When Ogborn refused to obey the caller's instructions, Nix hits the 90 lb Ogborn on the buttocks several times creating painful red welts, and at one point he does this for 10 minutes. At the caller's request, Nix then threatens to beat Ogborn again and forces Ogborn to kiss him and then perform oral sex on him. Ogborn says at the point of sexual assault she was scarred for life.[11]

The tape showed that Summers re-entered the office several times and dismissed Ogborn's pleas for help, a statement which Summers denies.

When another employee was asked to take part and objected, Summers decided to call the store manager, whom the caller claimed to have on another phone line. She then discovered that the store manager had not spoken to any police officers, and that the call had been a hoax. A quick-thinking employee dialed *69 to determine that the caller had called from a supermarket pay phone in Panama City, Florida. Summers then called police, who arrested Nix and began an investigation to find the caller. [/quote]

The above scenario is really sick and hard to believe that something like that could happen, mush less that similar circumstances happened at least 70 times prior to this incident, but it's true.

Other events show us that people are willing to kill upon request, even innocent woman, children and the elderly, while others are not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHk4TGWx0ZM

[quote]the My Lai massacre where the US army in Vietnam slaughtered 500 unarmed civilians, many women and children.

Some victims were sexually abused, beaten, tortured, maimed and mutilated.

Three U.S. servicemen who made an effort to halt the massacre and protect the wounded were sharply criticized by US Congressmen, received hate mail, death threats and mutilated animals on their doorsteps. Only 30 years after the event were their efforts honored.
American media first claimed 100 had been killed in a fierce fire fight. [/quote]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre

[quote]Charlie Company landed following a short artillery and helicopter gunship preparation. The soldiers found no enemy fighters in the village on the morning of March 16. Many suspected there were NLF troops in the village, hiding underground in the homes of their elderly parents or their wives. The U.S. soldiers, one platoon of which was led by Second Lieutenant William Calley, went in shooting at "suspected enemy position". After the first civilians were killed and wounded by the indiscriminate fire, the soldiers soon began attacking anything that moved, humans and animals alike, with firearms, grenades and bayonets. The scale of the massacre only spiraled as it progressed, the brutality increasing with each killing. BBC News described the scene:

“ Soldiers went berserk, gunning down unarmed men, women, children and babies. Families which huddled together for safety in huts or bunkers were shown no mercy. Those who emerged with hands held high were murdered. ... Elsewhere in the village, other atrocities were in progress. Women were gang raped; Vietnamese who had bowed to greet the Americans were beaten with fists and tortured, clubbed with rifle butts and stabbed with bayonets. Some victims were mutilated with the signature "C Company" carved into the chest. By late morning word had got back to higher authorities and a cease-fire was ordered. My Lai was in a state of carnage. Bodies were strewn through the village.[12] ”

More victims at My Lai. Photo by Ronald L. HaeberleDozens of people were herded into an irrigation ditch and other locations and killed with automatic weapons[13]. A large group of about 70 to 80 villagers, rounded up by the 1st Platoon in the center of the village, were killed personally by Calley and by soldiers he had ordered to fire. Calley also shot two other large groups of civilians with a weapon taken from a soldier who had refused to do any further killing.
Members of the 2nd Platoon killed at least 60-70 Vietnamese men, women, and children, as they swept through the northern half of My Lai 4 and through Binh Tay, a small subhamlet about 400 meters north of My Lai 4.[1]

After the initial "sweeps" by the 1st and the 2nd Platoons, the 3rd Platoon was dispatched to deal with any "remaining resistance". They immediately began killing every still-living human and animal they could find, including shooting the Vietnamese who emerged from their hiding places, and finishing off the wounded found moaning in the heaps of bodies. The 3rd Platoon also rounded up and killed a group of 7 to 12 women and children.[1]

Since Charlie Company had encountered no enemy opposition, 4th Battalion, 3rd Infantry Regiment, was moved into its landing zone between and attacked the subhamlet of My Khe 4, killing as many as 90 people. U.S. forces lost one man killed and seven wounded from mines and booby traps.[1] During the next two days, both battalions were involved in additional burning and destruction of dwellings, and in the mistreatment of Vietnamese detainees.

Most of the soldiers had not participated in the crimes, but neither did they protest or complain to their superiors.[14][/quote]

At the end of the day what can really be said about these incidents are occurrences? Why are some people driven by a higher authority, a greater code of conduct than others? Why are some not willing to go along with this, when others just fall in line, or stand helplessly by and let these atrocities happen? Why do some decline to become Informants for the system while others just accept? Why do some just go along with injustice and corruption, while others turn away from all appearances of evil?Why do some question, while others don't?

There are a variety of reasons, many people are culturally engineered or programed to obey authority, many have never been in a similar situation before and their survival instinct is to comply, because everyone else is going along with it. Humans for the most part are social creatures and very few have the capacity to stand on their own, or be excluded from society, friends, family, neighbours and if the corruption, or atrocity is systemic, most will just fall in line
with what is happening, just like in Nazi Germany.

Are Canadians paranoid enough?

Are Canadians being watched?

I thought that this would be a fun topic to cover. I was recently on a Canadian forum and I had a conversation with several members about electronic harassment and Gang Stalking.
Some thought it was paranoid to worry about being spied upon and monitored, that's fair, but let's look at some of the evidence presented and you tell me if they are paranoid enough when it comes to government spying.

The privacy commissioner of Canada, Jennifer Stoddard, warned Canadians this February about Secret databases that can not be accessed by the accused.

http://www.corbettreport.com/articles/20080214_snitch_state.htm
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/02/13/rcmp-privacy.html?ref=rss

[quote]Jennifer Stoddart, the Privacy Commissioner of Canada, has given her own Valentine to Canadian citizens: a 48-page report warning them that the RCMP (Canada’s national police force) is keeping thousands of files on regular citizens in secret databases which cannot be seen by the accused.

One of the many disturbing facets of Stoddart’s report are the examples she cites of information for these secret files coming from citizen informants. In one case a man was put into the secret database because a resident of his daughter’s school neighborhood saw him entering a rooming house and—believing drugs were involved—called the police. The police investigation concluded that the man had only stepped out of his car to have a cigarette, but the file was still in the national security databank seven years later.

Another incident cited in the Stoddart report involved a neighbour who saw two men carrying “something that resembled a large drum, wrapped in canvas” into their house. Police were called to investigate but found nothing resembling the reported item, yet the data was still sitting in a top secret databank five years later. As Stoddart points out in the CBC story on the report, this is potentially disastrous for the individuals named in the files, because it “could potentially affect someone trying to obtain an employment security clearance, or impede an individual’s ability to cross the border.”

What these seemingly disparate reports point to is a growing movement to turn the citizens of so-called free, democratic nations into a self-regulating secret police, saving the government the hassle of keeping tabs on everyone by delegating the duty to an unwitting public duped by a phoney war on terror. [/quote]

Ok So Canadians are in secret databases that can not be accessed, not a big deal for some. Let's see what else might be happening.

http://www.spying101.com/

[quote]If you attended a Canadian university in the past eighty years, it's possible that, unbeknownst to you, Canadian security agents were surveying you, your fellow students, and your professors for 'subversive' tendencies and behaviour. Since the end of the First World War, members of the RCMP have infiltrated the campuses of Canada's universities and colleges to spy, meet informants, gather information, and on occasion, to attend classes.[/quote]
Spying in Canadian schools and on Campus.

[quote]The book, a thorough examination of RCMP surveillance of the academic world, also discusses the Mounties' efforts to keep tabs on other elements of society, including government, the media and women's groups. The RCMP created security files on 800,000 Canadians, and it has long been known the force took an active interest in politicians and public servantswith links to Communist organizations or other pursuits deemed subversive.[/quote]

Wow 800,000 Canadians and counting with files opened, just for going to a Canadian University or College. That sounds reason to be a bit paranoid.

[quote]The Mounties cultivated informants among students and faculty at universities across the country and sometimes relied on the direct observations of RCMP members who were taking classes to further their education.[/quote]

Fellow students cultivated as Informants who then graduate and go on into the workforce and into the rest of society? Nothing to be paranoid about there, if you care about your privacy.

http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/2499.html

[quote]According to Redden, citizens can sometimes defeat the snitch culture. He lauds Canadians for discovering a secret government database that contained information on "virtually everyone in the country."

The system tracked domestic and external travel, personal finances, and other intimate details on 33 million people.

When journalists revealed that the database was being used by spy agencies and the Mounties, 18,000 Canadians petitioned the health ministry to find out what the government knew about them. Eventually, the government was forced to dismantle the database ? or so they said.

Government officials admitted the database was insecure, and so countless copies could easily have been made by police or nosy bureaucrats.[/quote]

Wow a secret government database the contained information on nearly everyone in the country. The last time I heard about something like this, it was East Germany. I wonder how a country the size of Canada, can have a secret government database with information on just about everyone. What intimate details did this system have, and how did it get this information?
They dismantled a database with information on everyone in the country, that they must have spent a great deal of time, effort and money to collect? Does anyone really believe this? Of course they do. Wow this would make some people a little paranoid.

Lastly not related to spying but an interesting link. From the people who brought you Truman Show Syndrome.

I found out that there is a military link, at least one of the male patients had a former military background.

http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2008/07/being_the_main_character_in_yo.html

Also one of the psychiatrist that is researching Truman Show Syndrome works out of McGill University in Quebec.

http://gangstalking.wordpress.com/2008/11/29/truman-show-delusion

[quote]Gold and his brother, Dr. Ian Gold, the Canada research chair in philosophy and psychiatry at McGill University in Montreal, came up with the term “Truman Show delusion.”[/quote]

If you will remember the MK Ultra mind control experiments which the Canadian and U.S. government agreed to, were conducted by McGill University in Montreal, Dr Ewen Cameron’s old haunt. Ewen Cameron is the doctor that was at the heart of the MK Ultra experiments and McGill is the very University that allowed them.

Also many of complaints about Gang Stalking in Canada are coming out of Toronto and Vancouver Canada. I have seen at least one news article on this for Vancouver, but I don't think I have seen any articles about this subject out of Toronto yet, which based on the complains is an epicenter for Gang Stalking.

This is all fun stuff to know. So should Canadians be more concerned, more paranoid, or is there
really nothing to see here? Only time will tell.

The Wall

I have been trying to get this post together for some time now. It's a quick reminder this holiday season to remember those that are behind the wall.

When I first started to research Gang Stalking I came across the occasional story about people in jail for various reasons, some of the stories left me stunned and shaking my head in disbelief.
See before this type of research I was pretty naive, I thought that if people were in jail for selling drugs they deserved to be there. I assumed that those caught using drugs were in rehabilitation facilities.

I pretty much think drug use is wrong. I am anti-drugs and have been since I was back in school. I was one of those irritating kids telling the friends not to smoke, then not to use drugs, I wasn't a buzz kill, but I might have crossed the goody line a few times.

Since reading these stories and seeing the true state of things, my opinions and views have undergone some changes. While I am still against drugs and drug use, I think the drug laws are a greater injustice to human kind. They are creating an army of Informants that are loyal to the state, and that would sell their mother if asked to. What I am seeing and reading is more wrong than anything else that I have come across, maybe even Gang Stalking and that's hard to say.

I don't believe in legalizing drugs, but I think people should start to look into decriminalizing drugs. The drug war in my opinion is not legitimate. It's not keeping drugs off the streets. Just ask the CIA who were busy importing drugs into ethnic communities. I use to believe the war on drugs was what it presented itself to be. A war to protect our society from those evil people who wanted to use drugs, get high, and sell drugs. I now see that I was wrong about a lot of this.

This war has been used to enslave the innocent, take away civil rights, allow the police now to use no knock warrants to break into innocent people's homes, and using an army of Informants to give false testimony to put away innocent people. Also many of those in jail on drug charges are those who did not agree to become informants. They did not play the game and in many cases that is why they are there.

The ones who do play the game. They go back on the streets and they continue to use drugs, to sell drugs, and to set up others, some guilty some not guilty, it's a disgusting cycle that is being perpetuated and it needs to stop.

I think if society does agree to decriminalize drugs, they could fine drug users the same way they do people who speed in cars. I think they should have areas where people can use some drugs, I don't think all drugs should be decriminalized, but marijuana would be a good start. I don't think people should be allowed to smoke this mind altering drug in homes around children, but if people wish to indulge in this, then set up places that they can do so.

The stories that I am coming across lead me to believe that there is a great deal of corruption within the system, and at the heart of that corruption is this Informant system. Take away the need for consistent convictions and you start to get some control and power back. Take away the testimonies of snitches and society starts to get some control back. Take away Informant deals and society would start to get some control back. However the legal system works with and through informants currently. Informants almost have as much or more power than prosecutors and that can only lead to the corruption that is being witnessed in much of these cases, and other areas of society.

Here are story that first tuned me into the fact that all is not right with the war on drug. There are many more like it, but I think this one really opens your eyes. I hope you will keep it in mind this holiday season as you are at home with your families safe and sound.

1. 10 years in jail for selling light bulbs. The forgotten man.

http://atlanta.creativeloafing.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A10762&comments=yes

[quote]In the spring of 1994, the Tucker family received lengthy prison sentences -- 10 years for Steve, 16 years for his older brother Gary, and 10 years for his brother's wife, Joanne -- without possibility of parole, for the curiously worded federal crime of "conspiracy to manufacture marijuana."

Yet federal prosecutors never charged them with buying, selling, growing, transporting, smoking or even possessing marijuana. An 18-month DEA investigation had failed to turn up direct evidence connecting the Tuckers to even a single joint.

Instead, they were locked away for selling the lamps, fertilizer and gardening hardware from the small hydroponic supply shop Gary operated on Buford Highway that enabled their customers to grow pot.

In the mid-'90s, the Tucker case became a cause celebrate among libertarian activists and other advocates of marijuana legalization. It served as an oft-cited, cautionary example of the runaway powers of the federal government and the worst excesses of the War on Drugs.[/quote]

[quote]Most of the stuff we were selling, you could buy at Home Depot. We had a legitimate business."[/quote]

[quote]At the close of the '70s, 11 states -- following the advice of the American Medical Association and even then-President Jimmy Carter -- had decriminalized simple possession. In 1981, the first bill to legalize medical-marijuana use was introduced in Congress. Its lead sponsor was a young, conservative Georgia lawmaker named Newt Gingrich.

Under Ronald Reagan, however, the tide swiftly turned. Even while the CIA was secretly helping Nicaraguan Contras smuggle vast amounts of cocaine into the president's home state of California, the administration was cracking down on domestic pot smokers, pushing for "zero tolerance" drug laws and scolding Americans to "Just Say No." By the end of the '80s, even socially progressive Oregon had again outlawed weed.[/quote]

[quote]So perhaps Gary Tucker shouldn't have been surprised one day in the early weeks of 1992 when DEA Special Agent Kevin McLaughlin dropped by Southern Lights with an offer its owner wasn't expected to refuse. The feds would be much obliged, McLaughlin explained, if he'd let them install hidden cameras in the store so they could snoop on his customers. If he didn't, no effort would be spared in shutting down his 4-year-old business.

The conversation lasted probably all of five minutes, but its outcome would set into motion forces the Tuckers could scarcely imagine.

Gary would later tell his family that when he told McLaughlin to get lost, the agent "said they'd get him somehow," recalls his mother, Doris Gore.

[b]Still disgusted by the idea of being pressured into being a government spy, Steve has never second-guessed his brother's response. "This isn't Nazi Germany," he says.[/b][/quote]

The last paragraph above is the key reason so many people are ending up in jail, with outrageous sentences. Refusing to play the game. Refusing to become government Snitches/Informants. If he had gone along, he would have sent many others to jail, while preserving himself. This unfortunately is what many others have chosen to do, and that has perpetuated a cycle of horror that is unimaginable.

[quote]One evening in July, the DEA's McLaughlin, accompanied by partner Mark Hadaway, paid a visit to Jorene Deakle, who worked with Gary as Southern Lights' store manager, and accused her and her husband of growing pot in their home.

Deakle testified two years later at the Tuckers' sentencing hearing that the agents had threatened to file charges and seize her house unless she agreed to spy on her employer for them. She said she was frightened into giving them names of Southern Lights customers she thought might be growing weed.

But the agents wouldn't let up, she testified, until she came with them to point out a house where she knew marijuana was being grown. As they were driving, Deakle told the judge, she picked a house at random so they finally would leave her alone.

The terrified Deakle called the agents several times a week to feed them tidbits of information; the investigation gained momentum. Agents followed customers home, pawed through their garbage, subpoenaed their utility bills and trained sophisticated infrared-imaging devices on their houses to look for concentrated heat sources.

Then the busts began in earnest, as one green thumb after another was caught red-handed. Don Switlick, a convicted drug trafficker, was found growing 114 plants with hydroponic equipment purchased at Southern Lights. Agents discovered a grow room in the Dawsonville home of Thomas Fordham, a high-school friend of Gary's. And, in September, Chuck Rothermel, who ran a car-customizing shop, was busted for a large crop of immature plants hidden in a nondescript warehouse he was renting in Forsyth County.

Of course, not every raid paid off. In one case, agents searched a startled family's home, only to discover that the husband was using the incriminating high-watt lamps in his tropical aquarium. In another, the suspect had never heard of the store; he'd been identified through his car, which his girlfriend had borrowed for the day.

Suffering from what Steve describes as a "nervous breakdown," Deakle mysteriously quit her job. The Tuckers would later find out she had also broken off contact with the DEA.[/quote]
First they went after someone who worked at the store with these brothers, and threatened her till she decided to snitch. That's where the problem begins. Had she resisted and gone to her employer and advised them what was happening, dozens of people could have avoided being arrested and turned into snitches themselves. Two innocent brothers could have stayed out of jail. Not only that but she admits to pointing out a random house to the police. So some random person is now going to be under investigation for no reason.

[quote]In December, Gary and Joanne went out to dinner and drinks with a friend, Mark Holmes, who kept steering the rambling, margarita-fueled conversation back to the subject of recreational marijuana use -- in large part because he was wearing a wire.[/quote]

[quote]Still, why were prosecutors willing to let admitted pot-growers and convicted drug dealers off easy so they could nail a tax-paying businessman who hadn't been caught with any grass?

Doris Gore is convinced there was an element of vengeance in the DEA's pursuit of her sons because they had refused to roll over, to name names, to cop a plea. "They hated Gary because he wouldn't do what they said," she says.

She may be on to something. During the trial, Garfield Hammonds, then the Southeast's top DEA official, announced to the press that Gary was no mere entrepreneur: "He's a bum, he's a parasite, he's a master of deceit, he's a marijuana czar." Hammonds, who now sits on the state Board of Pardons and Parole, didn't return a CL phone call.[/quote]

The corrupt move up the ladder in this system and the innocent go to jail.

[quote]Steve Tucker still believes he and Joanne were charged primarily as added leverage
against Gary. When they wouldn't give him up, the government simply steamrolled over them as well.[/quote]

Because they would not turn Judas and snitch on an innocent man, they were also made to pay the price.

[quote]One former Southern Lights customer, a 66-year-old ex-con we'll call "Bob" (who spoke to CL on condition he not be named), now says DEA agents tried to coax him into claiming the Tuckers were growing pot at their house, but stopped short of asking him to lie.

"'You help us and we'll help you,' is how they put it," he explains.

When asked to wear a wire into the store, Bob agreed -- then fled the state rather than aid an investigation he believed was intent on "railroading" the business owners.

Even though he eventually testified after police tracked him down, Bob received a four-year sentence, rather than the 18-month stretch he'd initially been offered.[/quote]

This pattern is one that we are consistently seeing. The more culpable being given less time provided they are willing to snitch, lie, and set up the innocent.

[quote]"I was in prison with people who'd swear their own mother was Hitler if it would help them," he says, shaking his head. "I'll never have another close friend. I'll never be able to trust anyone that way, now that I've seen what people will do to protect their freedom."[/quote]

The sad part is after reading these stories, this is not random. Something happens to these people something changes in many of them after they become snitches and what they are willing to do to others to stay out of jail is unimaginable.

[quote]Before the trial began, says Steve: "I was offered 24 months instead of 10 years if I'd testify against Gary. When I said no, they asked me to testify against Joanne. I mean, my brother or my brother's wife, what's the difference?"

Even after the jury had returned guilty verdicts against all three Tuckers, the prosecutors offered Steve one last deal: Give up the names of any pot-growers who had escaped their dragnet and get off with only two years.

"I figure I'm a man, I make my own decisions, and I'm not going to tear someone else down to spare myself some time," he says. "I said, 'I'll do my 10 years.'[/quote]

If more people took this stance, society would not be where it is. He refused to lie and sell out innocent people. Thus they gave him ten years.

[quote]Even as they settled into the cell they shared at Talladega Federal Correctional Institute, Gary and Steve's convictions were being condemned in newsletters and described in magazine articles, discussed at political forums and featured in a CNN special.

The family was the subject of a chapter in the 1998 book Shattered Lives: Portraits From America's Drug War. Co-author Mikki Norris of El Cerrito, Calif., says the Tuckers' case was one of the more disturbing she studied.

"It made me very paranoid to think that you could be convicted of completing a drug transaction without even knowing it," she says.[/quote]

It should have made the country paranoid, and they should have taken a look at the drug policy then, but they didn't.

[quote]Last December, five days after Steve was released from the halfway house where he'd spent the last few months of his sentence, Gary died of cancer at Emory Hospital.
He had been sick for a nearly a year, but prison officials refused to take his illness seriously until it was too late, his mother says.

"They'd give him an aspirin and send him back to his cell until he'd pass out and then they'd take him to the hospital," Gore says.

Steve was able to see Gary toward the end, but Joanne -- who'd been transferred from a Connecticut woman's prison to a Macon halfway house -- wasn't allowed to visit her husband the week before he died.

The diagnosis was non-Hodgkin's lymphoma, a cancer closely associated with exposure to Agent Orange, the deadly herbicide used in Vietnam. It would seem Gary's government had succeeded in killing him after all.[/quote]

After reading this story you have to really wonder if the laws are working, and if they are really putting away who they should be putting away.

[quote]The thing about federal prison that made the biggest impression on Steve was how many inmates were much like himself: small-time, non-violent offenders serving big-time sentences for reasons that made little sense.

"Even if I was guilty, 10 years seems excessive when there were bank robbers who were in there for two or three years, and I got 10 years for selling light bulbs," he says, his voice rising as if framing a question.

"This drug war forced two little kids to grow up without their dad and my ex-wife to go without child-support for eight years, and for what?" he continues. "I'm not saying I'm above the law, but I know in my heart I'm not the type of person who needed to be in prison."[/quote]

Small time people in jail with big sentences, while the bigger fishes roam free in society because they agreed to play the game. They go on to have lives, and to be a part of society that is now become corrupt. Wonder if there is a correlation?

[quote]Over the last decade, drug convictions have accounted for more than 80 percent of the growth of the federal prison population, so it's hardly surprising that, as the drug war swirled outside, amassing new victims, Steve Tucker was essentially forgotten.[/quote]

Wow drug conviction have accounted for 80% of growth in federal prisons? How many people that make up that 80% have decided to play the game and are out free now, or are only going to be serving small sentences?

After reading and researching I draw the only conclusion that I can. The war on drugs was not about what I originally was lead to believe, it's a part of a much more sinister system that is helping to corrupt society and to enslave society. It's done so silently, insidiously, under the banner of righteousness, and many of us miss the deeper underlying currents that are going to cost all of society in the end.

I meant to bring you more stories from behind the wall, but this article is already too long. I hope you will take a moment this holiday season to make yourselves become aware of those faces and voices that have been long forgotten behind the wall. Those children that have been left without parent or parents due to this war on drugs, and the impact they will have on society as they grow up without the much needed guidance in many cases.

http://www.november.org/thewall/wall/wall.html
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,461747,00.html

Over 2 million behind bars. Read some of their stories and decide if this war on drugs is really
about what you thought it was about.

Homeschooling Banned in California. School shooting in Finland

Another school shooting has just happened in Finland. This school shooting comes less than a year after the other Finnish School shooting.

Almost a year ago, Pekka-Eric killed several of his class mates and left behind a note, saying:

http://gangstalking.wordpress.com/2007/11/

[quote]Collective deindividualization is a phenomenon where individual will be trained as part of the mindless herd controlled by state, corporation, church or some other organization, group, ideology, religion or mass delusion system and adopt it’s rules, morality and codes of conduct.

This phenomenon has been familiar in all despotic, authoritarian, totalitarian, monarchist, communist, socialist, nazi, fascist and religious societies troughout history. Also, the modern western democratic republics have the same phenomenon. It is just done so that people will think they are free and don’t realize they are being enslaved. Majority of people in society are weak-minded and ignorant retards, masses that act like programmed robots and accept voluntarily slavery. But not me! I am self-aware and realize what is going on in society! I have a free mind! And I choose to be free rather than live like a robot or slave. You can say I have a “god complex”, sure… then you have a “group complex”! Compared to you retarded masses, I am actually godlike.

Totalitarian governments rule people through education system, consumerism, mass media, monopoly on the legitimate use of physical force (police, military) and laws discriminating people who think differently than the majority. Democracy… you think democracy means freedom and justice? You are wrong. Democracy is a dictatorship of the moral majority… and the majority is manipulated and ruled by the state mafia. Modern western democracy has nothing to do with freedom or justice; it is totalitarian and corrupted system. Laws are made over the heads of the people and people are being brainwashed to support the system and connected to the institutional structures immediately after their birth. Societies are being ruled by manipulative and charismatic politicians who only care about the interests of majority, and who do not base their decisions on reason but emotions and feelings of the masses. These masses let the authorities of state to make all the important decisions for them. The masses will get an education, they study, get a job, go to work and vote in elections. They think they are free and don’t criticise or question the system. They have become robots. It is like a constructed mechanism in mind, that leaves little choice for an individual to think, talk and act independently.[/quote]

[quote]Long live the revolution… revolution against the system, which enslaves not only the majority of weak-minded masses but also the small minority of strong-minded and intelligent individuals! If we want to live in a different world, we must act. We must rise against the enslaving, corrupted and totalitarian regimes and overthrow the tyrants, gangsters and the rule of idiocracy. I can’t alone change much but hopefully my actions will inspire all the intelligent people of the world and start some sort of revolution against the current systems. The system discriminating naturality and justice, is my enemy. The people living in the world of delusion and supporting this system are my enemies.[/quote]

Today another shooting has occurred and this young man has also expressed a great deal of anger towards humanity. It's still yet unknown if his motivation was the same as Pekka-Eric's.
[quote]Media reports named the gunman as Matti Juhani Saari, 22, a trainee chef at the vocational college.

The suspect posted a video of himself on the internet last week firing a gun.
As a result of this, police interviewed him on Monday but decided they did not have enough evidence to revoke his licence, the interior minister said. [/quote]

[quote]The gunman, dressed in black and wearing a ski mask, was seen entering the building with a large bag. Shots were fired soon afterwards. [/quote]

It's weird that he was wearing a ski mask. One thing is for certain, this will just move Finland one step closer to gun control bans. Previous to these two shooting, there was very little it seems to worry about.

Will problem, reaction, solution strategy be implemented here?

I am still wondering about the ski mask?

In other news. California has banned home schooling. That's right, in case you don't want your five year old's learning sex ed in schools. Getting shot, stabbed, programmed by the state to be mindless autobots, who are incapable of thinking, and only following orders, you soon will not have a choice, if you live in California.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1056415/Teach-pleasure-gay-sex-children-young-say-researchers.html

[quote]Children as young as five should be taught to understand the pleasures of gay sex, according to leaders of a taxpayer-funded education project.
Heads of the project have set themselves a goal of 'creating primary classrooms where queer sexualities are affirmed and celebrated'.

The ambition was revealed in documents prepared for the No Outsiders project run by researchers from universities and backed with £600,000 of public money provided by the Economic and Social Research Council[/quote]

Is it just me, or is it too much to ask that kids get to grades 4,6,7 before their sex ed begins? Oh well, those boring old fashioned values.

I am sorry, but I don't think 5 year old's should be learning sex ed. They are so busy with trying to understand the world, their minds should be free to think about important things like in 3 years, they can be jr street watchers (Snitches) for the state.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1052962/Schoolchildren-recruited-councils-spy-neighbours-drop-litter.html

[quote]Army of spies: Children are being trained by councils to report neighbours who drop litter or commit 'bin crimes' Children are being offered money by councils to spy on neighbours and report petty offences such as 'bin crimes' and dog-fouling.

The youngsters are among 5,000 residents encouraged to photograph or video neighbours in the act of 'environmental crimes'.

In some cases children as young as eight, are being bribed with rewards of £500 for passing on the names of neighbours or taking down their car registration numbers.

The Daily Telegraph found that one in six councils out of 240 contacted admitted to signing up the 'environmental volunteers.'[/quote]

Thank goodness we as a society have taken the time to remove the truly dangerous things from their lives, like God, family values, and self esteem. We have made them see the errors of their ways, and tuned them into what is really important. A generation later we are seeing some of the fruits of those labours.

Anyways, here is the main story. In California it is now illegal to home school kids. We want to make sure the state has their minds, from birth cause that is the only way you can control a society, is by going after the children.

http://www.infowars.com/?p=4794

[quote]A California appeals court has ruled that homeschooling of children is illegal unless their parents have teaching credentials from the state.

“California is now on the path to being the only state to deny the vast majority of homeschooling parents their fundamental right to teach their own children at home,” said Michael Smith, president of the Home School Legal Defense Association.

The court overturned a lower court’s finding that homeschooling did not constitute a violation of child welfare laws.

“California courts have held that … parents do not have a constitutional right to homeschool their children,” Justice H. Walter Croskey said.

The decision stunned parents of the state’s roughly 166,000 homeschooled children. While the court claimed that it was merely clarifying an existing law and not making a new one, the decision leaves the parents of homeschooled children at risk of arrest and criminal prosecution.
“At first, there was a sense of, ‘No way,’ ” homeschool parent Loren Mavromati said. “Then there was a little bit of fear. I think it has moved now into indignation.”

Parents’ reasons for homeschooling their children range from religious beliefs to dissatisfaction with the education received at public or private schools. But according to the court, all California children between the ages of 6 and 18 must attend either a full-time public or private school or be taught by a tutor credentialed for their specific grade level.

“A primary purpose of the educational system is to train school children in good citizenship, patriotism and loyalty to the state and the nation,” Croskey wrote.
California’s largest teachers union welcomed the decision as did the Children’s Law Center of Los Angeles.

According to the law center’s executive director, Leslie Heimov, children should not be educated at home, because they need to be “in a place daily where they would be observed by people who had a duty to ensure their ongoing safety.” [/quote]

Good patriots, loyal to the state and nation. Yes Russia did that, the kids were so loyal to the state, that they turned in their parents. Hitler did that also didn't he? Before you can change the society, you must indoctrinate the minds of the children. We as a society stand by consistently and let these changes happen, and then we get the end results and act all surprised and horrified, and wonder what the connection could be.

The structure of our oppression video.

There is a new video out, it matches the article the structure of our oppression.
If you feel that the video might have some merit, then please upload it to your blogs, websites, etc.

Or please link to the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLpHitaKk1s

Again the video just covers all the items that are located in the structure of oppression article, located here
http://www.gangstalkingworld.com/Structure.html

I think a lot of information has come out in the last couple of weeks. I think it's up to Targeted Individuals to review the information, research for yourselves and then if you find the information to be valid, please share it with others.

Disinformation

http://naffoundation.org/False%20Shepherds.htm

This post is called disinfo. It's taken from a post called false Sheppard's from the Naff site. The common tactics have been reworked to apply to Gang Stalking, and the Targeted Individual Community.

Even as part of the community I don't always have my hands in everything that is happening. I tend to stay away from things that I know will not move this cause forward, that will not get us the answers that we need.

1. Covert Agents will make themselves experts on Gang Stalking. People will be dependent upon them for information instead of looking for other more valid sources of information.

Eg. When I first came online I joined several groups. One group specifically had a leader that many trusted, but over time I realised this person was a what we all called perps at the time. I watched person after person trying to prove that this person was a perp to no avail. When someone would challenge this person the other agents which were most in the group, would start going, no this person is legit. I can tell you I have worked with this person for years and they are legit. Especially this one person who would always pretend to argue with this person, this second person would always come to this first persons rescue.

I watched this scenario repeated, time and time again. Each challenger beat down, and run off the forum. I learnt that it's pointless for me to try to tell others who is a perp and who is not a perp. You have to figure it out for yourself. If you have come this far, only to be deceived by one of them, then I feel even more sorry for you. However I have been deceived by them before, so just keep questioning, and trust your instincts.

2. By being experts especially when claiming to be under attack by the bad guys, they will make legit targets feel sorry for them. They will make targets feel like we are all on the same side, but we are not. This brings targets to these experts for help and information. They see these people as trusted sources. This gives these people opportunities to continue to control targets, and harass targets. This gives these trusted people access to people, to find out their names, where they live, etc.

Eg. When I first started out, like everyone else I went looking for help. I was scared, didn't know WTF was going on, and wanted answers. The first things they tried to do is find out my name and information. "Oh you could be a perp, we don't know who you are, we are not giving you any information till we know more about you, we have had lot's of perps try to infiltrate us", etc. Being a naturally private person, they did not get a lot of details.

When they did think that they knew enough about me, they started to try to use my sensitivity against me. I was confused, because I was like what the heck? How could they all be doing this, just like offline. Cause online you expect to be in the presence of friends right? Wrong, if you can't find people to trust offline, be just as cautious online.

The thing that accidentally clued me in, was one day this perp was having a little too much fun. I didn't think of him as perp at the time, but he said something to the effect of, "wouldn't it be funny if you were in a forum full of perps and didn't know it"? Something about that really stayed with me, and I sat back then and just observed, pretty soon after some time I began to see that he might not have been that far off, or joking. After that I started to learn. It was shortly after that, that I started to look for other answers.

The other problem with these groups is anytime someone started to suggest something that sounded reasonable, it would be shot down and only what this leader said would have validity, it went back and forth like that for some time, and I learnt.

3. These agents what they will do is use legit victims to promote other perps. Eg. A legit target thinks they have found a trusted source, they will promote that source and then get other legit targets to trust the agent and therefore giving out personal information to these people.

Eg. When I first became a target, I use to really reference the David Lawson book, and at first I was on forums going well David Lawson in his book... says this, or says that..., but I had not done the research, I just trusted what these leaders had said, because I knew nothing about disinfo agents, and all these stupid games they play. I learnt in time.

4. Control of information. This is a biggie. Some of the experts in the targeted individual community can restrict what is said. I remember when people would bring up legit topics and it was something that they did not want said, well they would suppress a topic, sometimes legit observations that other targets had made.

Also many of these agents or citizen informants you see them on YouTube, doing their best to make targets look insane, paranoid, or by making up the worst stories.
When I was on some of these sites or forums, you just knew some of the things being said didn't sound right, but you just thought, they can't all be perps can they? Maybe not all, but too many are, and it just brings down legit targets.

Even on normal forums, what they do is they will have specific people who's only job it is to make the topic sound paranoid or crazy, or get legit topics banned, threads closed, or removed. Anything to make sure the correct information does not get out.

Eg. You have Covert sources on these forums going, no the government is not involved, why would the government stalk people, this is vigilante groups, I know this for a fact, cause I know who set me up for the stalking. Don't get me wrong, you have some real targets who might believe they know who did it and from whence it came, but you also have these people spreading what sounds like just enough correct information to make the disinfo sound truthful.

5. The truth factor. Yes this is where they will spread 95% truth and then 5% disinfo, but it's that 5% that will really screw you up. Most people will believe everything said, because you are getting truth, truth, truth, truth, truth, disinfo, truth, truth, truth. I talked about this when I saw a David Icke's video and I said that I believed he was right about 95% of the things he had said, but I believed he was 5% telling a myth with this references to how many messiahs had existed before.

Even without that example, there is the David Lawson book, came out the same year as 9/11. Had all the information needed to sound legit, but he comes to the conclusion that it's foreign terrorists and "anti-government" groups, who are responsible for the organised stalking? Really David? You were like a detective for 12 years, you travelled with these people for like how many years? Yet in my opinion he does not draw the right conclusion. Why is that?

Come on people think. What do you think the purpose of the book was? I have said it before and I will say it again. Either he is an agent, or he is the worst detective ever.

I believe the book is disinfo, using the 95% to 5% rule. Thanks to that book however, how many are still searching for terrorist or right wing groups as the source of their stalking? Remember not everyone has access to online groups. So many will get the book, look in the wrong place, and get themselves put in a mental hospital talking about terrorist stalking them, which I think was the purpose.

6. Yes another problem. By making themselves experts, targets get lazy. We trust them to speak for us. Depending on them to speak for us silences us, and determines the way our cause will move forward, or more importantly will not. Their goal is to keep the truth from us, and from the general public for as long as possible. We also then parrot their disinfo, so when we go to forums and talk about terrorist stalking us or whatever the lie is, then we look insane.

I keep encouraging targets, to find the leader within. Do your own research. If you are not good at research, just think. Does the information they are giving me match what I am seeing offline? Eg. The lie that this was extremist groups doing this, didn't wash. My friends and family were involved, they may be many things, but they are not members of extremist groups. Nore were they likely to be. What they were telling me in these forums, and what I did see, when I finally went outside again did not correspond. So I researched, came up with a hypothesis, when it didn't fully fit, I reworked it, tested it again, and then eventually the evidence matched what I was actually seeing. The pieces of the puzzle started to come together.

If the information is correct, I believed the corresponding proof would come. I think in the last week or two, a wealth of information has been found in my opinion to match what I was saying. I remember when I presented these theories on the forums, I was totally felt shot down and devalued, and I politely just left. It was not giving me the correct answers and I knew it. I more importantly knew that things were not what they seemed. For me it was the right thing to do. I can work well on my own, and if I had stayed in forums, or let others confuse me, I would not have been able to get to the correct information as quickly as I did. Trust your instincts if you have any.

7. By making them experts and our voices, they take away our power, and they move the movement forward the way they want it to go. Also if a target is about to reveal the truth, or come out with information, they will have someone on their side come out with it first, or come out with the information in greater detail. When they can no longer suppress the truth, they will tell the truth, but with their spin, and they will try to make sure that one of their people on their side is running the show.

They never just have one person. They always have several, and they will in subtle ways back each other up. I have said it before and I will say it again. I think out of let's say 10 sites, you will find one or two that are legit, and the rest will be run by their people. That is my personal opinion, but I have my reasons for feeling this way.

They won't all say the same thing, they will be working different angles so you will be like, well these people are doing something different, so you might feel that they are legit, but they still might not be.

8. Being an expert in some ways can be lucrative. Again the David Lawson book was the only thing the community had for some time. A lot of these people know how to work it with books, and DVD, etc. They will know how to network and how to organise better then most targets. Also they will have an agenda, if the truth is going to be disseminated on mass scale, it will be via their channels and not usually ours.

9. The agents I assume have a vested interest in making sure that the truth does not come to light. They do pose as leaders, cause we trust them to know more about the cause than we do. I mean many of them have been here before. Many of them knew about things like mind control, electronic harassment, etc.

When I came online, I looked to others, cause I didn't know what was going on, and it was easy to
truth these people. I was lucky, or maybe I don't know, but I didn't fall into some of the traps that I could of. Mostly I just wanted the truth about what was going on. It's taken up so much of my time.

10. As mentioned before, they will play off of each other. Eg. They will pretend to be on separate sides, then they will both be agents. I have seen this play a dozen times. It's confusing, cause then you are all like, ok I know this person is a perp, so the other person must be legit, not so. They can both perps.

If you are willing to see the truth, then ya it's pretty shocking that most in the community are not what they seem. Not by a long shot. On these forums, I mean normal forums, there are people there to push down our threads when we have legit conversations about these topics. In other cases to get threads closed. In other cases to make the topic sound crazy, and to just pretend to be targets, and make other targets disbelieve the truth.

When I tell you that we are up against a system, I am not joking. Till you see, feel and experience it for yourself, you will find it hard to believe. However for your own sakes, try to see it for what it is, if you are not able to do this, then at least make sure what they are telling you matches up. Do a little bit of searching yourself.