Threat Assessment Teams and success rates

Threat Assessment Teams and success rates.

The Threat Assessment Teams remotely evaluate people from a distance, but how do they know that they are not just dishing out junk science? How do they know that the assessment actuaually work? I imagine it's in part due to the success ratio. Eg. You diagnose someone as schizophenic, and within two months of your diagnosis, they start complaining of vibrations in the home, being burnt and tortured, clearly they were suffering from a persecution type syndrome. Right?

Let's say the team evaluates someone and they end up in jail, homeless, instituationalized, dead, start to hear voices or they freak out and shoot someone, the team feel justified in their original diagnosis. The complete disconnect from the end results allows them to enjoy a false reality of their success ratio, just like in Russia. There removal from the targets sphere allows them to ignore, belittle, and dismiss the dozens upon dozens of stories of torture, and human rights violations, set up's, gaslight, smoke and mirrors that are being used to achieve those end results. They are getting these successful outcomes because in many cases the monitoring teams, and those around the target are driving and creating these end results by harassing the targets.

http://gangstalkingworld.com/the-psychiatric-reprisal/

http://gangstalkingworld.com/the-psychiatric-reprisal-part-2-3/

Remember the team likely use the DSM guidelines to assess someone in the first place. In Russia they use to also do that. The DSM guidelines then, much like now are being set up to target and remove specific people from the workforce, or society. The outspoken, whistle-blowers, maybe independent thinkers, single people, etc. When a person is being evaluated to begin with, we are ending up with more single individuals, because some of their guidelines and profiling tell them that those who are single, with few attachement are more likely to be a danger. The guidelines do not allow for individuality. Eg. Many adults in modern society lead healthy, active, productive and single lifestyles. Being single is only a danger if you truly are lonely, but many people this is a new norm, which the guidelines don't properly recognize.

What needs to start to happen is some accountability. Either targets need to start to sue these teams for false diagnosis, misrepresentation, slander, or a combination of things. I don't know how much legal protection these teams are given, but enough lawsuits and publicity aimed at their heads, and the DSM guidelines they use and that might make a difference.

The people at the end level are not that smart. This is a generalization, and I am sorry if that hurts the feelings of some, but they are not. Eg. For one of my apartments, they use to constantly have the maintainance man, opening my door. They utilized him, and had him consistently abusing his power. Remember they get a variety of people on this, they are so sure that they are helping to keep an eye on someone truly disturbed, that they often forget common decency, but more importantly many forget, or have a false belief that they are not bound by the same laws they were previously bound by. After advising this person of my displeasure with their actions, this person advised me that it was their right to enter at will. Really? So I had to contact the upper managment and detail what was happening, what my actual rights were, and this is what got the sitution rectified. Many of them do not know the law, they think that because they are helping to monitor, they have a right to go above and beyond what is legal and the reality is that they do not. That is why if you can catch them in illegal activities they often get upset.

It can take a while, filing noise ordanances with the city, since this goes on for years at a time, if you manage to be in one location for a specific period of time this might give you a bit more leverage to prove some of what is on going.

Jane Clift for her situation was abel to have her records exponged, but without the right lawyer, or someone who knows what they are doing, you likely will not get the same results. What is needed are lawyers who know the law, understand the limits to what these Threat Assessment Teams are bound, and then continue from there. Also because they work in teams, writing down the times of specific harassments might work. Eg. On April 03, 2009 this person used or subjected my person to.... then you can fill in the blanks. I know a lot of targets believe that radiation is being used, it's a possibility. Because they do change who is on shift, if you pay attention, you will notice that different people have different styles, some are just plane sadistic, so making them accountable should be possible in future by documenting times, dates. I do believe however if we skip the lower level individuals and focus on the Threat Assessment Teams, and their legal obligations to the individual that this might be a more successful way to go.

Eg. You are misdiagnosed as having a mental illness, and for the last 5 years they have contacted your facebook friends, twitter followers, myspace friends, co-workers, friends, etc. That is slander and defamation of character if the accusations are false, which since they are doing remote assessments, using DSM guidelines they well could be. Remember recently a woman won the right to sue Youtube to reveal the identity of those who had called her a name. Targets might be able to take similar legal actions for those going around behind our backs, defaming our reputations, based on a false or inaccurate remote diagnosis.

Also how much of this violates the privacy laws? This is one area that I would like to examine, I believe many lines are being crossed in this area, and this might be one more area to bring a legal challenge.

The other thing that those in countries with human rights commissions might start to do is see if they can find a way to take these commissions to task. I believe in the U.K. and Canada you can sue for discrimination for race, gender and if you are being discriminated against due to a mental illness. I have to double check, but if that is the case, and these teams are listing targets as menatlly ill, then going after targets, and poisioning every perception around them, this might be another area where legal challeges can be brought. The situations are ongoing, so that would be within the timeframes. Targets without money and other means, might try to find a legal way to see if these commissions can be used in this way.

Then in the U.S. the ACLU is free, and could maybe be petitioned in similar fashion. At this stage I don't know if these approaches will work, or if they will work across the board, but if we have 12 cases going through the system, each attempting different angles, then we can get an idea of what works, almost works, etc. However targets should be aware of sabatage, and many of these commissions are corrupted, or have questionable practices, as Tim Field his research into obstruction.

http://www.bullyonline.org/action/obstruct.htm

Those are some thoughts and actions that we might try in future, and the more attention these teams get, bad attention the better.

Reflections

Reflections

I was just reflecting on when this first started. Before I knew about Gang Stalking. Like other targets I knew that something was wrong, that something was going on, and that those around me were "in on it." Unlike other targets, I never voiced any of this out loud, and never mentioned it. However when I did try to explain about some of the unusual things that were happening, and that something was going on, they would just act like nothing was happening.

What I do know is that if I had trusted those around me, and not listened to my instincts, I would be in a very different place, a very bad place. I am grateful to God that I trusted those instincts, I am grateful to God that I prayed. I knew something was going on, and at one point, I remember praying and preparing myself, and saying that no matter what it was, that I would be ready for it, and willing and able to accept it.

Well it was more horrific than I could have thought at the time. For those who followed the blog, you know I spent like the first two years, going I can't believe this is happening, or that this is real. I use to wake up everyday, and then at some point I would say that. I think it wasn't until my settling in post, that some kind of acceptance finally came to me, and remember that I thought I was ready for the truth.

But before this time, knowing that friends, family, co-workers, business associates, were involved in something, that something was going on, but not knowing what was hard. I couldn't talk to anyone about it, I could only take counsel with myself, and in prayers with God, asking for truth. Praying to understand, how those around me, and close to me could be made to go along with something that was clearly designed to destroy me.

Also remember that no one, no sane person wants to believe in conspiracies. No one wants to believe that those around you could be plotting against you. Remember that to accuse someone of something without proof is a horrible thing, and what if you are wrong? That's why for the longest time I just observed. It would be the worst thing in the world to point the finger at an innocent person without being sure, but at the same time, you don't want to be a fool and let anyone conspire against you. So that's why I often tell targets, write things down, observe overtime, the truth will come. Cause it's a hard position to be in.

So when I do observe something new, I don't always report it at first, somethings I will wait awhile, but if it's something important for targets, something that could be harmful for them, then I might break that rule, and report an observation that I have not had time to confirm, or observe further. There are some things, that you can't always put off, it's better to issue a warning for other targets, just so that they can have a heads up.

The other things is that if you report something, people tend to see it, eg. If you report someone as mentally ill, people will see mental illness that is just not there. If you report someone as a sexual pervert, people will see every little thing that person does as somehow sexually perverted. People are just interesting that way.

Those were some dark times. I mean I get now some of the process that happens. The hapless family and friends, get a letter telling them that the person could be a sexual pervert, a danger to themselves or others, involved in drugs, prostitution, pedophilia, whatever the fake accusation is. Don't get me wrong at times these accusation the odd time, might be true, but what happens with Gang Stalking, is that the target is repeatedly set up. On top of these letters, there are interviews that can happen with friends, family, co-workers. The problem is there is no way to know how leading these interviews are, or if people always thought that James was a little odd, and someone shows up asking if James could be a danger, then suddenly James is a psychopath capable of doing great harm. Where in reality James is no more dangerous than anyone else.

They create a self fulfilling prophecies, and there is no way to know how many in society have been destroyed this way by these lies. Friends and family then get the community reports, and as target we all know the lies, set up's, and rumours that go into this. Reports all over the city, linked to you, places you have never been, situations that you have never been in, lies, rumours, and set up's, but they all contribute to destroying the targets life.

It took a lot to hold onto the faith. I knew I was not crazy, I know I am not crazy, at least not in that sense of the word. I knew there was something going on, instinctively I felt it, and when I finally knew about Gang Stalking, and I listened to all the other reports, I was shocked and disgusted. I kept thinking, what is it about targets, why are our families, friends, co-workers, neighbours, willing to side against us, with whoever is doing this? Later I realised it was the state, and that this sort of thing had happened in Russia, East Germany. I understood a bit more about how a society gets corrupted. How a society comes to believe that the evil they are doing is actually something good. World War I Germany, or the Germany of 1933 comes to mind.

When these times happens, the society itself becomes sick. They naturally do not see it, but history will judge them, it's always the same, but at the time, they believe in the Righteousness of their actions, McCarthyism comes to mind. In Russia, when they sent people off to the gulags, they would have family come and sign testimony against the person, they would even get the person to believe that they were bad. If the state said that you were bad, you were. It's horrifying to look at history and to see, and understand how often this sick, collective insanity happens, but you have the witch trials, inquisitions, this is a reoccurring theme, and people should be mindful of it.

Anyways over the years, I have been able to forgive, some people have made amends for the evils they have done, but still I sit back and think, if the state came to me, and tried to get me to go along with something this sick against friends and family would I have back them? See now that I am aware, it's less likely, but before, when I was naive, and trusted the state, could they have manipulated me that way? I don't know. The one time that I do think that I saw this, and was a part of this was back in school. At school we had a guy in class that this girl accused of being a pervert, or doing something very perverted and gross. Not only did did this precious flower accuse him, but she had her little minions with her to back up her story. Now I was disgusted when I heard this, like everyone else, and for a time stayed my distance, but after a time, seeing how everyone else was treating this person, I grew disgusted by the group ostracism of this person, and decided to go against the grain. I loaned this personhomework assignments and when handing out or sharing things with the group, did not exclude this person. Naturally I became the enemy of the original accuser. Which was funny, because this girl tried to use intimidation, and tried to socially annex me for associating with the person. It did not work, but the guy did end up leaving school, and did not finish the program. Years later now, I can almost 99.99% say that I am pretty sure that what they were doing to him, is what we call Gang Stalking. I think that is the one time, that I can think of where I might have been on the wrong end of the fence, and although at first I did stay away, cause of what this original girl had disclosed, I am glad in the long run I ignored her. She would later go on to spreading fake rumours about another friend of mine, and then eventually me. In the long run, I think people figured out her true and vicious nature, but I think it was deeper than that. I think this girl aside from the others, probably had aspecific agenda, when I look back and put all the pieces into place, that is what comes through the most. Why this guy became a target, I don't know, but that is what I think he was. I also now know what they were signalling about. Back then they were always signalling to each other. I kept thinking, what are they signalling about? Now that I know about the one handed sign language that the citizen informants use, I can look at the past, and get a pretty good idea of what was happening, and based on the type of people this girl targeted get a pretty good idea of what was likely really happening.


I included this, because I think it's important for people to try to understand the other side of the picture. I am most definitely not a bad person, I was at the time trying to support this girl at first, by staying away from someone she and her friends had said had done something perverted and gross. To the guy in this story, I can't imagine what it was like showing up to that course, to have everyone thinking this about you, and I think this explains why he missed so much time, and eventually quit. At the time however I would only have seen my part, but again I am glad that eventually my part was the role of being helpful, and not sticking to what the group was doing. The ones sticking to what the group was doing, were they trying to do anything evil? No, I can honestly say, they just felt they were getting rid of someone perverted from their midst's, and that is how this can work. They only see their part of it, which is small and insignificant, the paper cuts that on their own do not matter, but collectively, can and do destroy.

So reflections have been very important. Observation, and trusting instincts. The other thing about not reporting incidents too soon is that it's easy to send out information, but it's hard to collect that information back. Also once people get something into their heads it's hard to correct that information, so that's why most times if I can, I try to hold off on reporting things till I can be sure. Recently I skipped this step in reporting an observation, that I can not confirm, or deny. But it was more important for the protection of targets that they be aware that this could be happening in their areas, and to take precaution. I had to weight two options, and hope that the right choice was made, and that if the observation is real, that it will prove itself in time, and if not, then it will clear itself in time. What I should say is that I know that in other cases, this observation is true and happening, in the case I observed recently, I do not have concrete proof one way or another, and leave it in the realm of this is what I thought I observed on one occasion, which would never hold up for me personally in any scientific regard.

Observation should happen over a period of time, and be consistent. Like when I was observing the hand signals, that they use. So I am going to leave it at that. Sometimes you have to trust your instincts, and just go with that. Other times if you can, it's always better to find concrete proof if you can, and in all cases, try not to jump the gun, take time, and hope that truth will come.

It's in their nature

The Scorpion and the Frog

One day, a scorpion looked around at the mountain where he lived and decided that he wanted a change. So he set out on a journey through the forests and hills. He climbed over rocks and under vines and kept going until he reached a river.

The river was wide and swift, and the scorpion stopped to reconsider the situation. He couldn't see any way across. So he ran upriver and then checked downriver, all the while thinking that he might have to turn back.

Suddenly, he saw a frog sitting in the rushes by the bank of the stream on the other side of the river. He decided to ask the frog for help getting across the stream.

"Hellooo Mr. Frog!" called the scorpion across the water, "Would you be so kind as to give me a ride on your back across the river?"

"Well now, Mr. Scorpion! How do I know that if I try to help you, you wont try to kill me?" asked the frog hesitantly.

"Because," the scorpion replied, "If I try to kill you, then I would die too, for you see I cannot swim!"

Now this seemed to make sense to the frog. But he asked. "What about when I get close to the bank? You could still try to kill me and get back to the shore!"

"This is true," agreed the scorpion, "But then I wouldn't be able to get to the other side of the river!"

"Alright then...how do I know you wont just wait till we get to the other side and THEN kill me?" said the frog.

"Ahh...," crooned the scorpion, "Because you see, once you've taken me to the other side of this river, I will be so grateful for your help, that it would hardly be fair to reward you with death, now would it?!"

So the frog agreed to take the scorpion across the river. He swam over to the bank and settled himself near the mud to pick up his passenger. The scorpion crawled onto the frog's back, his sharp claws prickling into the frog's soft hide, and the frog slid into the river. The muddy water swirled around them, but the frog stayed near the surface so the scorpion would not drown. He kicked strongly through the first half of the stream, his flippers paddling wildly against the current.

Halfway across the river, the frog suddenly felt a sharp sting in his back and, out of the corner of his eye, saw the scorpion remove his stinger from the frog's back. A deadening numbness began to creep into his limbs.

"You fool!" croaked the frog, "Now we shall both die! Why on earth did you do that?"

The scorpion shrugged, and did a little jig on the drownings frog's back.

"I could not help myself. It is my nature."

Then they both sank into the muddy waters of the swiftly flowing river.

After dealing with citizen informants and workplace mobbing and Gang Stalking over the last several years, this is the only conclusion that I can come to. It's in their nature.

Before I go further, I would like to add, this is not the method of all informants, but it's the method of too many. There are citizen informants that don't take joy in what's happening with this system. Those who have been kind and helpful. Those who have decency left. Those that shared what they could. For that nature I am, have been, and will continue to be truly grateful. For the rest this is what I think.


Telling lies. It's in their nature.

Setting People up. It's in their nature.

Seeing the bad in others, but never in this system or in themselves. It's in their nature.

Destroying people's lives. It's in their nature.

Parasitically feeding off of the lives of others. It's in their nature.


Stirring up trouble. It's in their nature.


People tend to think of Targets as reserved or anti-social, but most targets are far from it. After years of bad advise, bad information, situation after situation, and person after person that we could not trust, many targets have learnt. Being cautious has become a part of our nature. Most targets are cautious. Most targets are hypervigilant.

For me personally I have learnt not to trust them in many cases. The smallest thing with informants can and will be taken out of context, misconstrued, deliberately, or accidentally, but it does not matter because the end result for the target could be the same. Institutionalization, jail, loss of employment, loss of housing, loss of a friendship or loss of reputation.

The times I have tried to be helpful with informants, or have become overly friendly are the times that I have often suffered the most, and thus for the most part I keep my distance, for many of them can not be trusted.

The thing that is most alarming about this system is that, all it takes is the word of an informant to convict you, or destroy your life. That is the informant culture that we live in today, and many of them can not be trusted.

The scary part for me is that even when it becomes clear that one of them lied, or deliberately tried to do something destructive, the majority of informants just pass it off as something simple. They are willing to crucify the targets, but are fully willing to forgive each other. I guess that is how gangs, cults, and secret societies work. They over look the evils that the cult, gang, club members do, but are willing to destroy others for way less.

The nature does not change. No matter how many times false rumours occur, they willing believe one after the other. The target is never consulted. No matter how much slander gets put out about the target, they are often willing to swallow the next dose, almost as if it's the medicine that keeps them going. I am no longer surprised by this. I just shake my head and move on, past the meaningless "I'am sorries." Because much like someone in an abusive relationship, they are only sorry till it happens the next time, and as a target you know that there will be a next time.

Thus I have learnt to limit my interactions with them. The lies that they make up out of thin air are bad enough, but I find that it's best to interact with them on a limited basis, giving them as little ammunition to work with as possible. For it's in their nature to be lying, deceitful. This system does not produce good citizens. Good citizens produce good citizens. This system teaches people to lie, cheat, steal, set people up, and destroy lives.

The other crazy thing is that as many times over the years that rumours or slander has started, the citizen informants for the most part make very little effort to confirm or deny what they are hearing. This extends to employers, landlords, and others that you have to interact with. You can be fired from jobs, lose housing, all based on lies that you might never find out about, unless you gain access to your files. It's incredible the lies the informants are allowed to make up, which never get corrected, and are out there on a person. Jiverly Wong is a great example, of rumours, lies, slander and gossip. If people had taken the time to let him know what was being said, to break their silence, so he could clear his name, I think a tragedy might have been averted. Instead they all went along with it, because it's in their nature, and with dire consequences.

With all that I have seen over the years, I do realise that this is their nature, and interacting on a limited basis with the majority of them is the best option. I have walked into places with people who were very friendly one day, and very cold and distant the next, busy feeding on the latest lie, slander, ready to carve into the target, ready to believe the worst. Not even willing to give a hint as to what the crime or offence committed was, because naturally you should know and thus must already be guilty. I have just learnt to smile, nod, and just avoid them. Then the odd time when information get's corrected, they smile and act as if nothing happened. Coming over and being overly bright and happy. It's very hypocritical, but it's in their nature. After the last several years, I have adapted my nature to deal with such unstable people.

Imagine being a target you go to a church, work, school, you leave one day, on good terms, you come in the next day and suddenly you are enemy number one, no explanation, no hint, all eyes and hate upon you, you are already convicted, and tried without ever knowing what the crime is. Those around all too ready to feed on who they see as deserving of their wrath or punishment. That is the nature and pathology of these people. That is what targets go through on a daily, weekly, monthly basis, yearly, basis.

In my experience being around them for lengths of time makes very little difference, you would think that after the 5th false rumour, 10th, 20th, that these people would start to question the lies? No they are simple people. They believe each other, trust each other, no one would ever have an ulterior motive, no one would ever lie. They think so well of the club members, but from what I have seen of many of these club members, a lot of them lie, some are criminal informants and thus have a handler, some seem to be deliberately working for the psychological operation angel, and then some are just average gullible people, who get taken in with every new rumour, others are just nasty and looking for the dirt that they can find on someone else. Gossip and drama queens, men and woman, who are not happy unless they are feeding on the lives of others, and that is because it's in their nature.

To defend yourself against such is a continuous uphill battle. Thus most targets simply choose to interact, but on a very limited basis.

The targets are not asked to give their side, pulled in for an interview, the witnesses around them are questioned, but the target is often even unaware that an incident has happened. If this system was the good system that many try to make it out to be, the targets of this system would have a chance and format to get their side heard. Before an incident can be added to a targets file, they must get some kind of notice and a suitable amount of time to clear their file. Most at this stage don't even realise that they have a file, or how to access the information.

The way this system works is that normal actions are seen as disturbing. Things that others get away with in public, actions that most targets would be put away for, are taken for granted, and the community over reacts to the smallest incident. A type of mania in and of itself. A frenzy, only this type of frenzy is destroying the lives of innocent people, who often times have no idea as to why.

Frame Up's

I think it's important for targets to remember that these people will try to do anything to Frame their targets.

In the last month I have had about 4 incidents with informants who are pretending to be crazy, I have documented some of them, but the theme seems to be to have the informant act crazy near where I am, then have them scamper off as quickly as they can, so when the impartial other informants come along, the target can be left holding the bag, or rather looking crazy, or in other cases as what ever they are being framed for. Eg. In Jiverly Wong's case it was spread about his community that he was a drug user, and apparently the bank robbery thing might have been out there also, even though I can find nothing to say that it was true. I have also never found anything more about this so called wife that he had. Wouldn't that be interesting to have a spouse that you knew nothing about? Apparently Jiverly might have, because I can't find anything to confirm the existence of this wife that his parents knew nothing about. Anyways I digress.

Frame up's should be expected. Eg. Recently I had an encounter with one person who was I believe just pretending to be crazy, the very next day this same person who had pretended to be crazy on the street the day before, was just coming off the elevator for my building as I was entering. It highly possible that the person had been performing additional acts of craziness, and the informants who as we know are all honest, decent, upstanding citizen, who would never purposely frame a targets, not have probably all given their false testimonies.

Anyways, that's not too bad, I remember reading about a man who said that they had gone as far as framing him by making a video. He said that from what he knew, because he had never seen the video, they had made a video of a look alike of him, in a I believe "sexual situation" with another man of a different race. Now the guy in question is a straight white Nationalist and the video from what he is aware of is of him and a black gentleman, so needless not a video that he would have made.

The point is, you would think that most people would just realise that it was not the case, but from what he wrote it seemed to be a real point of irritation for him, that and the other stupid things that they had been doing to him for some 20 years. He says his goes back that long involving the mafia. When I read about it on one of the forums, as I was catching up on the case of another person also being Gang Stalked, I was not surprised that these informants would go to those lengths, but that people were just willing to believe anything.

When I use to be in some of these jobs, rumours, slander, and workplace mobbing were a standard feature of each job, and the pattern of harassment, slanders, rumours would continue and I am not going to lie, it use to really bother me, that people that you thought you knew would believe the worst without having all the facts, or at the least little provocation, but that was then and this is now.

Now that I know what these people are, (not all of them, remember there are still good people out there) but many of them are just low, and base. They believe the worst about others because it's what they are inside, it's who they are, and so they judge others by what they are, and in most cases that goes without saying much. So when you look at it from that perspective, I can't get angry anymore and find it hard to case. I would no more care about what dirt on the street thinks of me, than care what some of these people think of me. It has no significance in my life, and zero relevance. Would you really care about what mindless brain dead zombies think if you saw them on the street? NO and in many cases this is just shy of what you are dealing with, so it's often little or no loss. What many of these people find to be acceptable or normal would horrify most decent people. The problem is that conditions like this are not known for creating decent people and so you can't put too much weight or care into it. That does not mean that you should not try to be aware of what is out there about you when you can, but let's face it, it's not worth losing mind over.

Primarily with frame up's and other games, the idea again is to keep the target engaged, it's a game and it's no fun unless you are playing. Beyond that as far as frame up's go, just be aware of them. We have a corrupt system and a corrupt society and they create circumstances to defame others, because often it's a mirror of what they are on the inside. Targets just need to be aware of that.

The Gang Stalking File

The case against me and what I understand of it.


The gangstalking file.


http://www.workplacebullying.org/2009/05/14/uk-green2/

[quote]The largest part of the award is the £640,000 awarded for future loss of earnings and a pension, and it is this portion which marks the case out as unusual.

“We have seen cases like this before a number of times but the court has awarded such a large amount because it took the view that this person would not be able to work at this salary level for a long time in the future,” said Tom Potbury, a lawyer specialising in employment law at Pinsent Masons.

Green, 36, had said she was subjected to “offensive, abusive, intimidating, denigrating, bullying, humiliating, patronizing, infantile and insulting words and behavior” and subjected to crude and lewd comments from her former colleagues. Her colleagues would move her papers, hide her post and remove her from document circulation lists. She alleged that some of the colleagues had ignored and excluded her, that her personal and professional authority was undermined, and her workload increased to unreasonable and arbitrary levels.

Her lawyer said medical experts on both sides of the case agreed that Green developed a major depressive disorder, but there was disagreement about its cause.

Deutsche Bank said it had not breached its duties to Green and denied that she was bullied, saying she had had a predisposition to mental illness. Deutsche Bank paid for stress counselling and assertiveness training for Green but she had a nervous breakdown before returning to work and suffering a relapse.[/quote]


I have read the above case scenario several times. It's funny because the workplace mobbing that I encountered was very similar in some regards to some of the things that went on in this case. Instead of being on the winning end of a lawsuit, I am on this end of an investigation, which is being used to falsely used to portray me as mentally ill.

It's funny, someone is dehumanized and degraded for several years and they no longer wish to put up with it, or emotionally can not, and the employer in this case a bank wants to place all the blame on them.

Part of what I have been trying to do is better understand the mechanisms used to place me under this investigation. One that has continued for years.

What's happening to me goes back a really long time. As mentioned before, I first became aware of the actual Gang Stalking, about three years ago, but my workplace mobbing had gone on for several years before this.

At work I was in a similar situation where workplace mobbing was daily, it was continuous and it made it impossible for me to perform my job functions. I eventually filed a complaint with the human rights commission after trying to work things out with Human Resources.

Shortly after filing the complaint C. Coughlin from HR called me into the office, in the presence of my senior manager at the time and advised me that if I did not drop the complaint, I would be required to see a Dr Brown. If I however dropped the complaint, things would back to normal. This play was disgraceful, and dirty but not uncommon.

Apparently if you decide to stand up for your rights or blow the whistle you need to speak to someone, if you instead choose option b and drop the case against them, you are of sound mind and body. Fascinating how these companies work. They use these investigations to discredit and disenfranchise their enemies. They destroy people's lives to protect their own interests. That's the true purpose of human resources in these companies.


The harassment I was exposed to included slander, lies, derogatory comments, rumors, and a stimuli which was anchored to said rumour. The stimuli was what was used for the bulk of the harassment. Because I complained primarily about the stimuli, they used this to try to portray me as mentally ill.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1144462/Man-jailed-harrassing-elderly-neighbours-whistling-Addams-Family-theme-time-saw-them.html


[quote]
Leopold Wrobel harassed the pensioners for more than four years, making them feel like prisoners in their home.

His victims, Michael and Kathleen Sharpe, said Wrobel had 'nearly succeeded' in destroying their lives.

Wrobel, 51, had been handed an anti-social behaviour order last December for harassing the couple.

But a court heard his nuisance behaviour, which had already lasted for four years, continued on the day the order was imposed.

The court was shown CCTV footage from cameras on the Sharpes' property, which picked up Wrobel's repeated whistling when they arrived at or left the house.

Michael Treharne, prosecuting, said each incident taken in isolation would probably seem silly or almost pathetic.
Leopold Wrobel taunted the elderly couple with the Addams Family theme tune

Leopold Wrobel: He taunted the couple

But he added: 'If something happens on an ongoing basis and goes on and on and on, eventually it reaches the stage of being absolutely intolerable.'

Mr Sharpe, from Wingerworth in Derbyshire, told the court Wrobel's behaviour had made his wife ill and she had started losing her hair.

'It's been devastating and it's done what he wanted to do, to try to destroy our lives,' the 68-year-old said. 'He very nearly succeeded.'

His wife told magistrates they could not leave the house without Wrobel being there. [/quote]


This couple was harassed using a stimuli, in this case the Addams family theme. It was one man, against this couple, but he managed to almost ruin their lives. In my case, I was one person, and about 80% of the peope I worked with, including most of the managers were taking part in what was ongoing. I worked with about 130 people at the time.

The very things that I complained about, at the time and filed the human rights complaint about are some of the very things individuals are now winning court cases over currently, yet in my case, it's being used to portray me as crazy, and keep a fake investigation ongoing.


Part of what I complained about is that a manager, let's call him "hateman the hitman saw", who was currently working in the same company that I was, had years earlier at a different company started a derogatory rumour about me. I stated in the complaint that I felt that this rumour had continued onto my current job.

Since I was once again working with this person, I had reasonable grounds to believe that this person was helping to fuel the flames of this degrogatory rumour, once again. I had grounds to believe it, because I heard back that this was the case. The bulk of my complaint focused on the fact that the derogatory rumours/comments had been anchored to a stimuli, and said stimuli was being used on a daily basis to make it impossible for me to perform my job functions. Eg. If the stimuli had been keys jangling, you would have the people directly around me, jangling keys for the whole shift, on several occasions, I had customers asking me about the noise in the background.

Sounds pretty simple right, not so simple, since the workplace decided to go along with what was happening.

After researching this, what I now know is that the stimuli and my reaction to it were deliberately created. I had worked with someone at the first job who was in the military. He had tried to sensitise me to three stimuli. I didn't know it at the time, that it was deliberate, but I do now. The other stimuli was pens clicking, and the actual stimuli which I became sensitive to.

What I also now know is that James, and "Hateman The Hitman Saw", were both part of the snitching friends network. What James did with the anchoring of the stimuli was deliberate. What I don't know is if he did this on his own accord, or if in fact this was more deliberate than that. James outside of work did have military connections, so I don't have the answer to this yet.


The other thing that was happening at that time is the same tactic was being used outside of the workplace to harass me in public. I was aware of this, but I was not aware of the snitching friends network.

So what you have is a target that has been deliberately sensitised. A corrupt company that wants to keep the target quite and stop them from going forward with a human rights complaint. I am not saying that this company is the only place an investigation could have originated from, because I have reason to believe that this might have started years before this, but I do believe that they used my complaint to the human rights commission to try to portray me as mentally ill, when really I was being harassed, and any actions I took to protect myself from being harassed day in and day out were fully justified. I will also state that the harassment was happening outside of the workplace, and the same applies.

So the target is aware that they are being harassed and a stimuli is being used. What they do in the course of these investigations is they try to incite and instigate incidents to further the perception of mental illness, or whatever the target is being billed as. If the target is being billed as a racist, they try to encourage negative interactions with persons of different races. If they are being billed as homophobic, they try to encourage negative interactions with people who are homosexual, if the target is being billed as a terrorist, they try to portray the target as such and make their actions look suspicious.

Since I have been targeted, they have tried the mentally ill angle several times and several different ways. I am aware that one incident that happened recently involved my handing out activism material to a group in a small cafe, about 7 people. I decided to try some viral activism, so I very impromptu handed out some papers directing the informants to visit one of the Gang Stalking websites. I mean I get people coming up to me all the time handing me flyer's for clubs, and other events, or their activism materials so I don't see the difference. However my understanding is that they are using me handing out what I consider essentially activism material to further the myth of mental illness. Right because naming informants as such and directing them to Gang Stalking websites is insane? Right. I really have to wonder about the shrills that they are using to make these types of assessments and then further disenfranchise targets?

They could in essence use a simple incident such as this and use it to get employers current to flag you. Yet is not activism what I do on a daily basis? Why should my handing out activism material be seen or evaluated any differently than anyone else?

When they can't prove that you are crazy, the scope of the investigation might shift. It's what I call a fishing expedition. Remember these investigations are often the life blood for many. The informants get a bit of money, lot's of men get construction jobs, and they use these investigations to push targets to the edge, hoping that when they do snap, they will have further proof that the informant network is doing a good job. So every time they can put a target in a mental hospital, get them behind bars, to kill themselves or others, or just attack someone, this gives them cause, and in some cases additional funding, so it's in their best interest to make you look crazy.

Recently what some informants did is that they started a group with a list of people. Many on that list did not ask to be on that list, but they started sending out emails. In those emails they used some racist or other language that might be cause for an investigation. So for example you find yourself a part of this list, which is in effect a group. You don't say anything wrong, but others in the group do, surprise, you might find yourself being investigated, because you now belong to a group spewing hate speech. The hate speech will ofcourse have been provided by the informants themselves, but what does that matter?

I had another incident where I was in the park. I had put up with 20 minutes of some idiot informant doing stupid dogs tricks while trying to keep an eye on me. Normally if you were not aware of what was happening it would not be that irritating, but it was. I was grateful when the dog boy left, and was just getting comfortable, when yet another informant showed up, this one even worst than the first, because he just stood there and stared. Well I had it, and I just gave him a glaring look before reaching into my case to get something. I had just gotten some groceries and was pretty tired, and just wanted to sit there without being disturbed.

The next thing I know, the little man pansy is running across the park like a bat out of hell, and I am thinking what the heck? I have been known to give some pretty squelching looks, but I didn't think I was that good. Next thing I know before I leave the park, there is a helicopter that literally accompanied me home on my walk from the park, and for the next two months I would become acquainted with what I call airstalking.

When I got home, the serve your drug sentence as an informant neighbour above me, decided to make contact with the neighbour below. Suddenly all friendly, can I come and hang out? This neighbour had never spoken to me before. All this other stuff and I am thinking what the heck? Apparently I came to find out that, man pansy, who ran out of the park like a bat out of hell, seems to have given them the impression that I had wires in my case, (which I did for an electronic device, I think a battery charger), and therefore maybe a bomb or incendiary device? So upstairs neighbour was just making sure I didn't blow myself and him up, and the suddenly friendly Susan above me, as I call him, was just trying to get into my apartment to look around. Well that makes sense.

Now what really get's me here is all it takes is the word of a snitch. They don't have to be logical, or truthful, they can make up anything. Now to be fair to man pansy, I don't know if he did it to be spiteful because I gave him a squelching look, or if he really believed I was dangerous, and I really don't care. These people are told the target is crazy, or what have you, and normal behaviour that would normally never be questioned suddenly becomes oh did you see that, the target blinked, what do I do, what does that mean? They are irrational and dangerous.

The other problem is positive identification. There have been so many times where I know that I was flagged as someone at a location doing xyz, and I was not. If I could see my file, I am sure I would find several incidents that were attributed to me to make me look crazy, and were not in fact me, but the way these investigations work is that you are guilty, and you never get a chance to prove your innocence.

I have seen so many times where they give the signal that I am away from home, which means that they are following someone else somewhere, and this means that if there is an incident, it will be ascribed to me, and it will not be me. I have been on the train and other locations where they have the wrong target, but they are provoking someone else and I have seen the other person react. Yet this will be ascribed to me.

Corrections will never be made, because the target is not allowed any input whatsoever and most of this is based on the word of informants, staged incidents which are designed to make the target look like anything you want them to look like, pedophile, drug dealer, racist, homophone, crazy, you name it, they can stage it.

The other question I have is about the types of psychiatrists or professionals that are being used. Based on what I saw in regards to the articles that they wrote about Gang Stalking online, you have people trying to write a whole entire community off as mentally ill, when in fact these investigations are on going. Then when that does not work, you write them off as extremists or conspiracy theorists. Yet everything that has been stated just about, has been proven, by external sources. If the same types of people are being used to remotely diagnose targets as crazy, we should be very worried.

As it is, they have been investigating me for years. I was never crazy. I was being harassed. Because I choose to stand up for myself and take the company to the commission, HR used it as an opportunity to open an investigation when I failed to comply with the threat of dropping the suit. Since that time, I have been openly harassed, had my communications interfered with, had several staged incidents, some involving me, many not involving me, but all used to further portray me as mentally ill. I have never been allowed to see my file, or directly address any of the said incidents that would be used to portray me as mentally ill.

Normal activity such as handing out activism material has been used to portray me as mentally ill, keep in mind, I have never had anyone tell me that they did not want something being handed to them. So if this is the case, how can an incident be used against me? Further how can said incident be used to further try to disenfranchise me from employment?

What I do know is we have a very corrupt system. Many informants see about 15-30 minutes of skits and harassment that is running in a targets life 24/7. They perform their surveillance. The ones below me, play human target with my body, often using lasers, radar gun, pulse weaponry, what have you to burn my skin from the apartment below. They still try to do the sleep deprivation thing when they can, much of this by a human rights stand point would be considered torture, and against the law.
These people feel that it's ok to perform such actions on targets that they have been told are mentally ill, or rapists, pedophiles, drug dealers, users, prostitutes etc, because these groups are seen as less than human, they don't feel that their actions are immoral, or unethical. They think that what they are doing is just fine.

Lastly again these investigations are the life blood of these programs. I had one person tell me that he was offered a construction job. Person had been sent to befriend me. The construction job was to be the benefit. They hire a lot of these people and they put a lot of money into the area around the target where the surveillance is happening and unfortunately these perks makes a targets community more likely to go along with, and take part in the harassment. Remember for the community doing the harassment/surveillance, they are often having the time of their lives, in some cases. They are working together, some feel like they are James Bond, it's fun for some of them, so fun, that they forget that their is a human being on the other side of the door, as was apparent with the maintenance guy who was so caught up in his role of being informant, that he forgot that the target has rights and the target is not ascribing to their mental pathology.

I have said it before and I will say it again, these people in many cases are not smart, many don't realise that they are being used to set people up and destroy lives. Lives like Jiverly Wong, Kimveer Gill and many others. When the target kills themselves or shoots others, they see it as proof that the target really was mentally ill, and not proof that their harassment drove the target to the end result. They then feel that they did a good job, that they are valuable and relevant and they continue on as before, feeling more justified than ever.

I also suspect that they have the odd staged incident that also further serves to justify the informant network, and the incidents further serve to make them think that what they are doing is valuable and relevant. When I researched the Stasi, many had been a part of the Stasi by choice and not by force and even after the Stasi fell, they did not see a problem with what they had done. In Hitler's Germany it was the same as well, with many enjoying a sense of corporation, neighbourliness, not seeing anything wrong or malignant in their actions, they were just following orders, or the laws of the land. It's the same for our informants.

Thus targets are guilty, we will never be proven innocent because we never get to see our files. The evidence gathered is staged in many cases, normal incidents that would not be questioned if it was done by someone else not under investigation, are being used to further justify their cases against us. When they fail to find proof for one aspect of the investigation, they set up other incidents, go on fishing expeditions and claim the scoop of the investigation has changed. This is used to continue these investigations indefinitely. Remember I recently spent time studying the extremist community, the informants are now trying to set up incidents to portray me as someone that I am not. Think about how this works if you are being investigated as a pedophile. You are likely to get emails containing kiddy porn from you friendly neighbourhood informants, and then the other informant monitoring your internet connection is likely to just focus on the content of that email. Or like the other example that I gave, these groups that you join, or that people add your email to, you have to watch what is being said, because they could use that to change the scope or add to the scope of the investigation.

If you spend anytime reading about how the police are abusing the informant system, then you might begin to have some idea of what we are up against, and then might be able to better protect yourself and others from these deliberate investigations, which have no end, and are continually staged to paint the targets in the worst light, real or imagined.

Is this democracy? No I don't believe it is, but this system has been like this for some time, and as it spreads more are likely to be affected by it, so it's very important that people become aware of how the system is operating and functioning so they can try to avoid some of the pit stops associated with it.

Jiverly Wong. Two sides.

I have got a theory so let's put it to the test.

This should be obvious, but I am sure it will not be.

Part of what Jiverly Wong said is that people were spreading rumours about him, specifically the cops. After his death there were stories printed about him that he was crack/cocaine drug addicted loser, I have yet to find anything to say that this was true. There was also this story that said he was a failed loser who planned to rob a bank. Where did these rumour come from?

From the general population? I don't think so. The rumour about him wanting to rob a bank was given to the police by an informant. This rumour came from an informant, an informant who feed the rumour to the cops, so if the cops are not spreading rumours about him, how did this rumour find it's way into the papers? Aren't these informant tips suppose to be secret? Yet after his death, the man who says that the cops were spreading rumours about him, has a story printed saying he was addicted to cocaine, and had planned to rob a bank. Seems like even in death, he might be proving himself correct.

This was a tip from 1999, 10 years ago, so how did it have this long a shelf life if nothing ever came of it? How did it find it's way into several articles?

Also the rumours about him having a girlfriend, and previously a wife, I have yet to have this stuff fully confirmed, the parents don't know anything about either.

Based on the article below, I would say that there was rumour floating around about him, a rumour that came from an informant years ago, but would make it's way into the papers after his death? Sounds to me like this rumour might have been floating around, and if so, this rumour could only have come from the cops, who the informant gave the tip to, and this would prove a part of what Jiverly Wong was saying.

Also he was laid off from his job, not fired, but any paper could make that mistake. Ofcourse if they were taking time to check the story, and not just print rumour and hearsay that would paint the guy as a nut job, they also might have noticed this little error.

I still want to know more about this wife, the parents are just finding out about it in the papers, and why has she not been contacted, were the records they found correct? Did they find records for someone else named Jiverly Wong, in their quick fact checking?

The article below really tried to portray him in the worst light possible, with a lot of misinformation, information which I have not in some ways been able to verify. What is more certain however is that the information about the drug addiction and bank heist rumour most likely came from the police, and if this was a 1999 rumour why was it still floating around, unless what he said in his letter had some validity?

Anyways here is the article.

[quote]http://www.nypost.com/seven/04052009/news/nationalnews/failed_life_for_killer_coward_162952.htm
FAILED LIFE FOR KILLER 'COWARD'
* DIVORCED & LOST JOB BEFORE MASSACRE* CO-WORKER WORRIED 'HE'D SHOOT US ALL'
By LORENA MONGELLI in Binghamton and TODD VENEZIA and JAMES FANELLI in New York City
The lunatic behind the Binghamton massacre was a pathetic, gun-loving coward who got divorced, lost his job and was driven to depression because he could barely speak English after many years in the United States, officials and people who knew him said yesterday.
His life in the pits, Jiverly Wong, 41, became a regular at Gander Mountain, a sporting goods store, in the six months leading up to the rampage, buying and returning as many as six guns after firing each a few times.
Wong -- who has a daughter in California, according to a coworker -- would get agitated when staffers had trouble with his broken English.
"He would get frustrated," Dave Henderson, who taught a class at the store, told the Press & Sun Bulletin of Binghamton. "There was times I wouldn't even talk to him anymore."
It was not clear if that was where he bought the two guns found on his body after Friday's massacre: 9mm and .45-caliber pistols.
His former co-workers at the ShopVac vacuum-cleaner assembly facility were equally frustrated by his communication problems, and were worried about his gun-loving ways.
On Mondays, when asked about his weekends, Wong routinely replied, "I went to a shooting range," said ex-colleague David Carrico, 18.
"He liked shooting guns. I was worried he would come into work one day, get angry and shoot us all."
It wasn't until five months after his November firing from ShopVac that he finally did snap -- but he directed his rage elsewhere, at the language school from which he essentially flunked out.
Wong on Friday picked up a pair of guns, hoisted a bulging sack of ammunition and marched maniacally into the American Civic Association, killing 13 people before turning the gun on himself. Another four victims remain hospitalized, but are expected to survive.
A clearer picture emerged yesterday of Wong's tale of woe before his grisly end.
The last 10 years of his sorry life included cocaine addiction, a bank-heist plan that never came to fruition, a divorce and lost jobs in New York and California.
Wong -- who at one point changed his last name to Voong, and also sometimes went by the name Linh -- was born in Vietnam to an ethnic Chinese family.
He came to the United States in the early 1990s with his family and became a naturalized citizen.
Wong quickly wound up in trouble, as court records in Los Angeles show that he was charged with forgery in 1992. It's not clear what became of the case. His family finally settled in Binghamton.
He got a gun permit in the mid-1990s.
New York officials investigated him in 1999 after an informant said that he was planning to rob a bank and had a "crack or cocaine" habit, Binghamton Police Chief Joseph Zikuski said. Nothing came of the allegations.
A couple of years later, Wong left for California, where he got a job driving a delivery truck for Kikka Sushi and lived in a cheap Inglewood motel. At the fleabag pay-by-the-month joint -- near the airport with bars on the windows -- all he had in his room was a bed and a 52-inch TV, fellow tenant Eric Sherman told The Post.
"All he would do is sit inside his apartment and chain-smoke," he said. "He didn't talk much and I just thought he didn't talk because he didn't really speak English."
Los Angeles court records also show that Wong was married. He was divorced in July 2005.
That was quickly followed by his abrupt departure from Kikka Sushi -- and the West Coast altogether.
Wong complained he was disgruntled at the company, where he made $500 per week.
Back in Binghamton, Wong was able to hold down a steady job at ShopVac until he was laid off, but was again upset over his low pay.
"I work so hard, but they only pay me $8 an hour," he complained to colleague Donald Ackley.
He was also tormented by some coworkers and sat alone in the lunchroom.
"Sometimes they picked on him a little bit," he said. "They would say, 'It's wrong, it's Wong, it's wrong, it's Wong.' "
Depressed and angry, he tried to better himself in the area where he was most vulnerable: his lack of English skills. He enrolled in an intermediate-level class at the association.
But once again he failed by hardly bothering to show up.
"His attendance was so erratic, he was dropped," said Elisabeth Hayes, his English teacher, who was out on vacation on the day of the massacre. Her substitute, Roberta King, 72, wound up dead.
"This was a nasty act of irrationality. Why did he have to do that?" Hayes asked. "We could have been there for him if he needed support. The class was kind to him.
"It's a true American nightmare."
In his final months, Wong -- who wore a hearing aid, according to driving records -- was miserable, surviving on $200 in unemployment benefits and living in his parents' gritty home.
By the time he was ready to commit his cold-blooded crime, the only place he found solace was at a gym, a pal said.
"He seemed a little depressed," said Son Quach, a grocery-store owner who had worked out with him at the Court Jester gym in nearby Johnson City.
He also griped about a recent break-up with his girlfriend, but would not elaborate.
Wong was inconsolable and often whined about his "bad luck."
"We picked up that apparently people were making fun of him and he felt that he was being degraded because of his inability to speak English and he was upset about that," Zikuski said.
The police chief said Wong's suicide was his final act of failure.
Police believe Wong planned to go out in a blaze of glory in a gunfight with cops, but got cold feet when he heard sirens and put a bullet between his eyes.
"He must have been a coward," Zikuski said.
"We speculate that when he heard the sirens, he decided to end his own life. He was heavily armed, had a lot of ammunition on him and, thank God, before more lives were lost, that he decided to do that."
Additional reporting by Tori Richards in Los Angeles, Josh Williams and Brad Hamilton in Binghamton and AP
lorena.mongelli@nypost.com[/quote]
If he survived 18 years of being Gang Stalked, and if he is telling the truth, then he was not a coward for those 18 years, it take a lot to survive being under investigation 24/7. Apparently the alligation of drug addition might be false and this might be the rumours that he spoke about, sounds like there was the typical workplace mobbing involved, and the community Gang Stalking, which might be part of the reason he dropped out of the language school. See if you take the time to listen to his side, you can either write him off as some paranoid whack job, or if you look deeper, he might have been burtally targeted and harassed for 18 years and if this is the case, more needs to be done to bring this to the light.

Poisioned Pill? You should know.

http://gangstalkingworld.com/Forum/YaBB.pl?num=1223643445

I don't have a lot of time to blog right now, but I was online taking care of some things believe it or not, and I came across a thread, which lead me to a post that I felt the need to address. I really didn't want to waste the time, but I felt the need.

What I am going to re-post is pretty well what I posted on my forum.

Ok so I was out on one of my strolls around the Internet. I usually stay away from certain specific people for so many reasons. Anyways I came across a thread that links to these two postings which I will address here and then on my blog. Here are the links. For those of you who don't know. The author is "suppose to be" a top leader for the Gang Stalking Community.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vertacs/message/231

In addressing the first link I wrote.

Since the above post refers to my website, then I think it's important to address the attacks or issues posted there.

Apparently my site is a poison pill site. The author would know more about poison pills than I would, but I digress. Let me address the comments and meat of the article.

The top two gang stalking techniques are air stalking and brighting because the author of the Gang Stalking World website, fancies a little thing called alphabetical ordering. For those of you who do not know what this means, it means to place items in a list from A-Z.

This means that items that we experience that begin with A will be listed first, then items that begin with B will be listed second and so forth. Hopefully the none targets will have enough common sense to understand the concept of alphabetical listings. If they do not, I am not responsible for human stupidity, contrary to popular beliefs.

Let's go to the young mother with the cellphone. Since we now know that children as young as 8 are being recruited to be Covert Human Intelligence Sources, and the site goes on to back this up with appropriate details, then it should be no problem for the common person to understand the concept of how the stalking takes place.

This way the average person can conceptualise what we mean about the stalking being subtle. I also had this concept from another magazine from several years ago, that showed a picture of a mom with a stroller and her shadow was that of a cop. The picture was done to illustrate what the civilian spies would be like. The concept was a good one then, and in my personal opinion is a good one now. Remember I am not just sitting here daily. I am trying on a continuous bases to bridge the gap between what we experience and what the normal realm has not. I have studied what does and does not work. I have done a great deal to make sure that this does get normalised, and that the actual truth comes out, which is more than I can say for others.

I also wrote and have been meaning to address this issues for some time now, in relationship to the term Gang Stalking.

The term Gang Stalking and why I think it works. When I first came online, there were a lot of terms for what were happening, Gang Stalking, Multi Stalking, Vengeance Stalking, etc, etc.

Over time while I was doing research to try to find out what Gang Stalking was, part of what I tried to do was get the term normalised in society as another website had suggested that we do. This was part of my early activism. I was able by working the search engines to ensure that the term was well placed and became adapted and more accepted in more normal society. I think the only people that the term truly confuses, that I have come across in the last 2 years, are people that are citizen informants who have a specific effort to try to discredit the term. You might get the odd person who is truly confused, but overall, this is a term that many normal people have come to understand. If you change the name, we will and would have had to start all over again. In the middle of trying to get the term normalised, a so called community leader had tried to get the term dropped, and I disagreed with this person and for that reason fought to keep the term alive.

Eg. Imagine if we stopped calling ourselves Targeted Individuals tomorrow and tried for a new term? The same process of normalizing this will begin all over again and that is not good for any movement. I think if anyone that I have come across in the last two years reads the information they understand what this is. Also when People go looking for help outside of the community and go searching in their normal places, they use the term gang stalking, mostly. I find that after two years of a lot of garbage, people in normal circles recognise this term and are able to tell people what to do to get help. I constantly check to see if this is working. I think any attempt to get rid of the term is counter productive for these reason, and I also think this was part of the reason for the attempt by certain parties. That's my feedback on the term Gang Stalking. As for the other matters with the young mother and the terms for what happens to us, I am going to be addressing that.


In addressing the second link I wrote.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vertacs/messages/245?xm=1&m=e&l=1

Now apparently my site is run by Don Russell? Who the hell is that suppose to be? This is like the time starfish perp said that I was imitating some other guy that I did not know at the time. I really appreciate the methods used. Also I appreciate that they went behind my back. It's all good, what is done in darkness will be revealed in light, sooner or later. The day will come. Sooner than later I hope.

[quote]For example, this site is titled "gangstalking", a term which may sound great at first hearing, but when used in conversations with non-targets, has shown that non-targets consistently think in terms of youth/race/biker/Mafia gangs. [/quote]

Since I actually do know what I am talking about. I get this from time to time believe me. Some will go oh yeah those gang's out there. In my personal experience, this is only from the multitude of civilian informants. The same way they operate offline, they operate online the exact same way. People who actually want to listen, none targets, in my two years of posting on forums, do understand the concept and respond well to the subject matter. (Well now they do.) Also considering that the website on the very front lists this

[quote]Gang Stalking is a systemic form of control, which seeks to destroy every aspect of a Targeted Individuals life. The target is followed around and placed under surveillance by Civilian Spies/Snitches 24/7.

The Civilian Spies can be parts of these community oriented policing programs, but most often they are just average citizens. Just like with Cointelpro investigations, everyone in the targets life is contacted and asked to be a part of the ongoing, never ending, monitoring (systemic harassment), which is designed to destroy the target over years and leave them with no form of support. A short and simple definition of gang stalking. What is Gang Stalking?

Gang Stalking is experienced by Targeted Individuals as psychological attack, that is capable of immobilizing and destroying a target over time. The covert methods used often leave no evidence to incriminate the Civilian Spies.

It's similar to workplace mobbing, but takes place outside in the community. It called Gang Stalking, because groups of community Spies organise to stalk and monitor targets 24/7. [/quote]

Again I take no responsibility for human stupidity, or organised citizen informants, or government agents. I think a logical thinking human who is not a perp will understand the concept of what is being said. This site over the last two years for anyone who has been following, has been worked and reworked just so that it can help the average person to understand what we are talking about. When new information comes it's continually worked into the site. Also on the main FAQ page exhibit B

[quote]What are some techniques used against targets?

A few of the most common techniques are listed below.
a) Classical conditioning.

Getting a Targeted Individual sensitized to an everyday stimuli. The targeted individual over a
period of months, or even years is negatively sensitised to an everyday stimuli, which is then used to harass them. It’s used out in public to let them know they are constantly being harassed and monitored. Some examples of everyday stimulus that might be used include: sounds, colors, patterns, actions. Eg. Red, white, yellow, strips, pens clicking, key jangling, loud coughing, loud whistling, loud smacking of clapping of hands together, cell phones, laptops, etc.

b) 24/7 Surveillance This will involve following the target everywhere they go. Learning about the target. Where they shop, work, play, who their friends and family are. Getting close to the target, moving into the community or apartment where they live, across the street. Monitoring the targets phone, house, and computer activity. Surveillance Policy.

c) Isolation of said target.
This is done via slander campaigns, and lies. Eg. People in the targets community are told that the target is a thief, into drugs, a prostitute, pedophile, crazy, in trouble for something, needs to be watched. Files will even be produced on the target, shown to neighbours, family, store keepers.

d) Noise and mimicking campaigns.
Disrupting the targets life, sleep with loud power tools, construction, stereos, doors slamming, etc. Talking in public about private things in the targets life. Mimicking actions of the target. Basically letting the target know that they are in the targets life. Daily interferences, nothing that would be too overt to the untrained eye, but psychologically degrading and damaging to the target over time.

e) Everyday life breaks and street theatre.
Flat tires, sleep deprivation, drugging food, putting dirt on targets property. Mass strangers doing things in public to annoy targets. These strangers might get text messaged to be at a specific time and place, and perform a specific action.

It might seem harmless to these Citizen Informants, but it could be causing great psychological trauma for the target. Eg. Blocking targets path, getting ahead of them in line, cutting or boxing them in on the road, saying or doing things to elicit a response from targets. Etc. It's like the death of a thousand paper cuts. One or two minor incidents will not cause any harm to the target, but over time the target is slowly worn down. [/quote]

It lists these as the main symptoms of Gang Stalking. On to the next bit.

[quote]While many of us believe, with good cause, that government is heavily involved, without courtroom quality evidence, a statement like that above is discrediting. [/quote]

Suddenly courtroom evidence is needed? Really? When the same author was sprouting off information about vigilante gangs, where was the court room information then? Right. Also we don't need court room information. We have historical facts, we also have current news articles about how the anti-terror laws are being abused. We have dozens of items about covert government actions. We have Gloria Naylor, and other significant targets who can directly link this with government involvement, yet suddenly we need a courtroom document, really?

Again I have already addressed the mother and the child issue. Not only is this what they really do in real life, but it's a concept image. For anyone who this works. It's a useful tool for bringing the understanding gap, between the targeted and the none targeted.

[quote]"Civilian spies are recruited from every level and sector of society."
"Spies" is a term I would NEVER use to label our perps. Non targets, at this stage in current affairs, are not prepared to think their neighbourhood is full of "spies." To use the term "spies", I suggest, is very likely to draw the you-are-paranoid response from unaware non-targets. [/quote]

Well many people would never call them Stasi either, or Snitches or Citizen Informants, etc. Many people have different labels for the same things. My site uses various labels to help different people understand the concepts better. Over the last two years. I have talked to people. I have researched, and there are lot's of different people who will visit the site, there are lot's of other people who are going to be targeted.

The word spies will appeal to one sort of audience because they understand, oh community spies. Another person will understand, Snitches, cause they come from a community where the stop snitching movement is in full affect and they are familiar with that term. Others will understand the term Stasi because they dealt with this before. Over the last two years I have made every effort to reach a wide variety of audience members, and to ensure than whoever comes to the site, from whichever demographic to get help, they will see terms and read language that is familiar to them. I have done the same thing with the media that I use. I am trying to do this with the flags that were recently added, since I realised that others in others languages do want access to the information. It's not a perfect translation, but it will give more people access to help.

Also in doing research for what is behind Gang Stalking, I encountered a wide variety of articles, some used the term spies, actually quite a few used that term. So again, just like some prefer the term organised stalking, while others prefer community mobbing, and others Gang Stalking, it's all the same term for the same thing, and using a wider variety of terms, reaches a wider audience. To each their own, but my site has helped many people over the years. The site and the blog, because people see images and concepts that they are familiar with, remember my site is about helping targets first and foremost.

Also my site does have a fair bit of history and also current events on how these programs have been used, and who has used them. It's always been the same source, be it Cointelpro, Red Squads, Stasi, etc. I don't know who Don is, and don't care. My site in it's current incarnation will continue to do what it has always done, and that's help people.

Two years ago when I came online looking into what I thought was harassment, then mobbing then gang stalking, there was help, but not truth. I was chasing phantom vigilante groups, and that was one of the popular terms at the time. A term that was being brandied about. I have no doubt that the term gang stalking was originally chosen to spread confusion, but in the last two years. I and some others have worked really hard to bring the truth of this darkness into the light, and I will not let it be overshadowed.

So I will leave this posting by saying to each his or her own. Your instincts have brought you this far, you know that offline there are many that can not be trusted. You know how programs like Cointelpro worked, and if you don't, go read up on them.

I have spent two years learning, you have been there with me for most of that time. I hope you will not let anyone or anything deceive you from the truth of what is really happening to us, and what is really behind this.

Emotional Sapping and Intimate Infiltrations.

Counter Measures that might work.

Honestly I could go over each point and try to tell you what's worked for me, but you have to find what works for you. Like any other therapy you might find what works for me does not work for you. Find your own path.

Different people find different things acceptable. Others have boundaries that they just would not feel comfortable crossing or have things that they would not feel comfortable doing.
Others still need to feel that they are part of society. So again do what works for you. I will however share some of my ideas, and things that I have actually done, or intend to do if in the situation again.

Again for me some of the most effective things that I have done is just letting them know in subtle or overt ways that I know what they are. I have enough info about what they are,how they operate to shine it back in their faces, and evil does not like to see it's own reflection. (Also Civilian Spies/Snitches hate to have their covers blown.)

This has helped tone down much of the Gang Stalking in my life. It has not stopped some things, like the electronic monitoring/harassment. It has not helped me keep a steady job. However when I do have to be in specific environments, it's helped me to keep my dignity and stay fairly true to whom I wish to be.

To read about some of the countermeasures please use the following link.
http://gangstalkingworld.com/Forum/YaBB.pl?num=1205189397/1#1

I will touch on a couple of points that I don't think get touched on often enough.
Emotional Sappers and Intimate Infiltrations.

On the http://www.HiddenEvil.com website Mark calls them Sappers.

http://www.thehiddenevil.com/motivation.asp

[quote]Parasitic Behavior
There is another motivational factor worth mentioning. Possibly, the greatest factor. During these covert group attacks, there is an energy transfer that these individuals, whether they know it or not, are looking for. The systematic vulturing during Mobbing & Gang Stalking campaigns is an intended robbery of a person's life-energy. This is no different than sticking a needle in someone's arm & stealing their blood. Eastern philosophy refers to these people as Sappers.

A Sapper is a person who is too sick, weak, or underdeveloped, to create their own life-energy. So they continually find themselves in circumstances where they steal or "sap" energy from a being that has already assimilated it into a usable form. This is similar to an infant eating pre-processed food. Society is full of them. They are completely unconscious of this tendency. I refer to them as Psychic Fleas.[/quote]

Others call this being an emotional vampire. There are literally some people who can drain other people's energies. I don't think this aspect of targeting is often discussed in the Targeted Individual community. It's interesting because there are lot's of books written about people who can zap other people's energies with their negativity, or transfer their negative energy onto another. Main stream books have been written about this, but this is never really discussed in the T.I. community.

I think it's something that should be discussed, and also ways to shield against this. Ways that I find helpful are meditation or spiritual readings, the bible being my weapon of choice.
I also found a really great blog posting by evolve on the same issue. She runs a blog over at

http://www.Ongangstalking.blogspot.com

Here is a small sample of her post.

http://gangstalkingworld.com/Forum/YaBB.pl?num=1204526407

[quote]Beware..there is a very creepy aspect to being a target that is experienced by some people. Its spiritual or metaphysical, a sort of psychic vampirism. We all know someone who 'sucks the life' out of us or even out of a room but as a Target, one is especially vulnerable to people like this due to being beaten down constantly and never allowed time to heal, regenerate or re align with one's self (or definition of oneself). The redefining of the Target as victim by perps and keeping the target hostage daily as victim provides opportunities to very dangerous emotional and psychic predators.

If a Target stays in one locality too long and certain persons become familiar with you who are perps who are involved with harrassing or torturing you daily, even at first if they seemed harmless enough eventually they will harass you to a point where they start taking your energy in a very real way..there also seems to be the ability for that person, especially supported by other perps that show up on teh scene later, to begin to dump all their negative energy/problems/etc on the Target. In this way once again you become a human sacrifice in the short term as well as the long term..in other words a Target may function as a scapegoat emotionally and psychically not jsut for the network at large but for individuals. [/quote]

Great post and very insightful.

The other topic I wanted to quickly touch on is Intimate Infiltrations. Targets are often set up or used in this way. Either by having people try to get close to them, only to gather information, or to try to get into a relationship with them.

Since I found out about Gang Stalking, I have personally avoided this trap by staying single. I still get emotionally attached to others, but that's about it.

For now the research takes up a good chunk of my free time, and really as a target I think the most sane thing that I can do right now is be single and figure out what to do next. This works for me, however it obviously might not work for others.

I don't know how others are handling this, but here are some Targeted Individual stories you should keep in mind.

Mark M. Rich.http://www.thehiddenevil.com/framed.asp

[quote]Second Incident

Looking back, this event makes sense. But at the time it didn't. A girl that I met at a gas station on my way back from a camping trip probably tried to frame me for attempted rape. This was sometime in either 1997 or 1998. I think she said she was from Vermont. On the phone she seemed OK, & said she was coming to Boston for an interview. How convenient I thought. So we arranged to have dinner & she invited me back to her hotel which was on Pleasant Street in Malden.

Back at the hotel she would entice me to make a move on her, but then stop, change her attitude drastically & go cold. I'd stop then, & she'd entice me again. She repeated this several times. Sensing there was something wrong with this girl I ended up leaving without anything happening. Now that I look back, I'm pretty sure I dodged a bullet.

For months afterward I remember having a strange feeling about that episode. It didn't make sense, but I attributed it to just being one of those strange events. The reason it didn't make sense is because the feeling I had gotten from that experience was that she wanted to frame me. But I didn't entertain this idea much because it seemed illogical that a stranger would try to frame someone. There's simply no reason.

Now that I look back, I think she tried to get me to "cross the line" so she could report it as a rape or attempted rape. I'm certain this was a Staged Event. I think these people tried to get me incarcerated. Interestingly, in the summer of 2005, a relative who now participates in the harassment against me, used a metaphor to describe how he was blackmailed into becoming an informant as a result of a being framed for an attempted rape. My study of this group & its controlling faction at the top, leads me to believe that this is probably common practice.[/quote]
I don't know how Mark is handling things now, cause I don't touch base with Mark, but I am sure this is an incident he keeps in mind. I also believe this is something used very often. This and the honey trap. The honey trap is the term Markus Wolf termed, for using Male operatives to woo, females and sometimes these men even ended up marrying the woman to get secrets from them. The honey trap works both ways for men and women.

http://brussellsprout.blogspot.com

This target is divorced. He says that since his divorce, he has been set up many times where someone seems interested, even makes overtures and then as he tries to make a pass back, they act almost as if he is doing something wrong. He says that parents have also tried to set him up by leaving him alone with young children. He has also had a fake harassment charge filed against him. Here is a small except from him.

[quote]attempted sexual frame-ups fail
As I have mentioned numerous times, since my wife divorced me in 1993, all my relationships have been sabotaged. At first, I had no idea this was going on, but then, a familiar pattern began to emerge in which a woman would indicate that she was interested in pursuing a relationship with me, and then break off the relationship abruptly with no explanation.
During this time, which was extremely frustrating, even heart-breaking at times, another strange phenomenon began to manifest itself. When I was out in public, for example in a bookstore or at a concert, women would deliberately brush up against me and rub their tits against my arm or my back or my chest. And sometimes they would be extremely YOUNG women -- teenagers ranging from 13 to 19.[/quote]

He has been alone for 12 years since the break up. This is just one more way that they can pull at a target or manipulate them. He says it's been stressful, because what he wants most is to be in a relationship, and I think they know this. He also thinks that his wife, who he met in College was used from the start as a set up. They married and had two kids, now they are divorced and the kids are with her. A familiar pattern.

John Hughes also writes about set up with ex girlfriends.

http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/v/ajh.htm
http://tiworld.blogspot.com/2006/09/minor-update.html

[quote]No one at work asked where I was Monday April 15, nor did they wish to enjoin me in conversation with the lead in, "I had an interesting day yesterday". My Alternate Girlfriend (Ms. L), who had arrived back from a week away in New York April 14, was also one of my confidants, and in hindsight, was very likely a cooperator. She also emphasized that I was paranoid, and that I needed help, and was attempting to convince me the Standoff event was delusional. Again I got the paranoid accusation followed with a statement of seeing a counselor. She continued on this theme a number of times until our association ceased (below). Neither girlfriend was very nurturative, and the Sometime Girlfriend got in such a stinking huff that she didn't want to talk to me. These contrived rows became delimiting as to whom and where I could later find refuge.
My move to Seattle from Everett diminished the relationship with Ms. C, but she was artfully substituted with an ADD person, Ms. L.

It is clear to me that both Ms. C and L. were both planted infiltrators to extract more information from me, and to guide and set up events that served both the experimental and harassment objective. In both cases there were unwarranted and unsettling disagreements that blew up and prevented the relationship from deepening. [/quote]
[quote]Ms. L (my ADD companion) bailed out on me when the first apartment intrusion happened April 15, 2002. Although Ms. C was front and center in setting me up for the April 15 apartment invasion by sowing fear, uncertainty and doubt (FUD), I continued my on/off relationship with Ms. C until recently (06-2003). [/quote]

What's interesting about John's situation is that he said that the girlfriends were exactly what he was looking for. They even found him one with (Attention Deficit disorder) ADD, just like he had. He was profiled that well. I can not remember if John's encounters seemed random or accidental, but I know other targets have reported that in retrospect, the encounters were very deliberate.

Vera story is also very interesting.

http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/v/vera.htm#Who

[quote]Assorted Attempted Set Ups
Part of the affect of men consistantely relating to me in this way was a kind of isolation. I got no moral support, or people offering themselves to me emotionally or mentally- it seemed the only relationships available were physical. This held true with women too, for the most part. Either they acted like friends and then robbed me blind, or we'd get a bit of a rapport going and they'd turn sexual. I honestly believe that these were all attempted "set-ups". Whether for viewing at a later date, or for the emotional trauma that each successive, soured relationship would wreak on my psyche, the pretenses were premeditated, the approaches rehearsed. [/quote]

[quote]I would often find so many similarities between myself and whomever I was just getting aquainted with (and too often ended up sleeping with). Wow, we even take the same brand of vitamins, and they care a lot about the planet as well, and I've read that book too, etc. When I finally really got to know some of these people they were the most bigoted, spiritually vacuous, nutrionally ignorant, apathetic people I'll ever meet. But, they'd been coached. Like actors and their directors I firmly believe that these people had had the way to my heart mapped out for them. I really want to meet the producer. Perhaps I already have and don't know it.

A guy asked me for a cigarette one day as I was walking down the sidewalk. Apparently we were both waiting for the same office bldg. to open, so I gave him a smoke and we chatted. He was of Native American descent with long, dark hair and a relaxed way about him. Ever on the lookout for a decent human being I accepted when he invited me to go to lunch later that day. (I am such an easy mark: Long hair, an interest in music and the environment, health foods...plus my chronic affliction with lonliness. Ahhh, hindsight is so clear.) [/quote]

Another interesting thing about Vera, I think it's her and not John. She wrote that her car broke down and this stranger drove back to assist her. She would years later realise again that the whole thing had been a set up, including the tire going flat. Just so that someone could get into her life. Fun stuff.

http://ongangstalking.blogspot.com/

Rachel talks about her choice to remain, clean, sober and relationship free. The survival choice, that I think is the sanest in many cases, but not always the most manageable. I really like reading these posting however, because she touched on a lot of the emotional aspects involved with being a target.

Lastly there is this posting and I think one of the most important ones.

Ruth Goodman.http://gangstalkingworld.com/Forum/YaBB.pl?num=1201450715

[quote]I was also contacted at home, in my personal life by a couple of men who work for the
government... Brian Kohler, with the D.O.D. (I know this is his real name, I have been to his and his parents home in Fairfax Virginia. His father, Larry Kohler, works for the Pentagon) pretended at first to be in love with me, this was 5 years ago when I was more naive. He flew out to California several times pretending he was going to relocate to move in with me. It turned out that he was lying, and was actually stalking me for counter intelligence. His intimidation kept me from writing on the internet for about a year, but then I went back to doing it, refusing to give in to terrorists. [/quote]

She goes on to talk about her contact with them.

[quote]About a year and a half ago I was contacted by another man, Jason Duncan (not sure if this is his real name) made similar contact with me pretending to be a friend interested in discussing spiritual principles. While at my apartment he staked out the neighborhood, and a couple of months later, stalkers moved into the house behind my balcony, built a HIGH wall, and they gather there harrassing me from behind this wall. After one of Jason's visits with me I became extremely ill (I thought I had food poisening), and was taken to the emergency room closest to my home, very late at night, and was put out with a general anesthetic for 4 hours.
About a day or two later I began to experience people harassing me in my head. I can TELL they are using electronic devices to do so. I do not know where on my body they planted the transmitters, but I have found fake hairs protuding out of the back of my neck and behind my ears. My hairline is not the same as it was before. These tiny hairs come from my temples and go under the skin behind my ears.

These people continue to harrass me in my head, screaming "Stay off the internet" and "we control everything" etc. They also had me picked up in front of my house by a Long Beach policeman, alone with no name badge, who drugged me, met an LA County sherrif behind a dark building, who was also alone. He got on the freeway. When I asked "where are you taking me?" his response was "someplace fun".

They took me to a secluded section of LA County Jail where I was brutally beaten, stripped naked, fondled and tortured by male sherrifs, and told over again that "we're gonna smoke you, n*gger" while guns were brandished in front of me. I was also repeated drugged with something that made me unable to control myself. I was held for 5 days with no phone call until my sister reported me missing. I was then charged with being under the influence of drugs. [/quote]

As many know Ruth Died shortly after this.

I think every target has to choose how best to live. We do not want to loose our humanity, however we do not want to become careless, when we know that we are Targeted Individuals. New time more on shielding.