What on earth did I get myself into?

It all depends on who you ask, and how you interpret the situation. Sometimes the answer is blowing in the wind.

I had such a moment a few weeks ago on some level, and at first my only thought was how do I untangle myself, but the more I watched and waited for the punchline, the punchline never came. Where I was on some level was surprisingly where I was meant to be. It really started to work for me, and much to my complete surprise, really lifted my spirits.

Now upon realising that I was in a good place, the usual control agents have done just about everything to try to change or destroy that.

This week has been a challenge, but I am trying to find that peace and happy I knew just a few short weeks ago.

I find that when you are in the right place, you can not let specific negative elements allow you to be brought low.

I think the question of what on earth did I get myself into at times has to be answered in spirit for truth, but in flesh for accuracy, cause otherwise it's just too easy to get the lines of communications mixed up, or cluttered with a lot of inaccurate information.

I think targets ask this question a lot, but much like the disinformation that is out there about us, some information can only be clarified by going to or getting at the source.

http://www.1brickcourt.com/files/cases/140CLIFT_58136.pdf

Deconstructing David Lawson

http://terroriststalking.wordpress.com/

I have wanted to make this post for some time now. As many people in the Targeted Individual community may know, for several years, since 9/11 there has been a book that many targets have been referencing called Terrorist Stalking In America. The book first claimed that the stalking or harassment was being done by extremist groups.

Then just as quickly as David Lawson wrote the book, he seemed to go missing again. We were assured by some community leader that he was too busy and could not be interviewed, but a lot of things never made sense. When I started to do my own investigation into what was behind Gang Stalking, I started to learn ask even more questions.

If they were extremists how did he get out? He claims to have been in these stalking groups for several years, that he was one of them, that they are dangerous, and use intimidation methods to keep their members in line.

Anyways I recently came across a posting at who is a rat and I thought it would be nice to review the posting and go over it with my own interpretation. I don't know how many targets read this book, and went to the authorities talking about terrorist only to be institutionalised, or called the phone company to say that extremists were driving cable cars, or toss pop on cops, but I hope this interpretation will help future targets.

Anyways if you follow this link, you can read up on deconstructing David Lawson.
http://terroriststalking.wordpress.com/

Poisioned Pill? You should know.

http://gangstalkingworld.com/Forum/YaBB.pl?num=1223643445

I don't have a lot of time to blog right now, but I was online taking care of some things believe it or not, and I came across a thread, which lead me to a post that I felt the need to address. I really didn't want to waste the time, but I felt the need.

What I am going to re-post is pretty well what I posted on my forum.

Ok so I was out on one of my strolls around the Internet. I usually stay away from certain specific people for so many reasons. Anyways I came across a thread that links to these two postings which I will address here and then on my blog. Here are the links. For those of you who don't know. The author is "suppose to be" a top leader for the Gang Stalking Community.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vertacs/message/231

In addressing the first link I wrote.

Since the above post refers to my website, then I think it's important to address the attacks or issues posted there.

Apparently my site is a poison pill site. The author would know more about poison pills than I would, but I digress. Let me address the comments and meat of the article.

The top two gang stalking techniques are air stalking and brighting because the author of the Gang Stalking World website, fancies a little thing called alphabetical ordering. For those of you who do not know what this means, it means to place items in a list from A-Z.

This means that items that we experience that begin with A will be listed first, then items that begin with B will be listed second and so forth. Hopefully the none targets will have enough common sense to understand the concept of alphabetical listings. If they do not, I am not responsible for human stupidity, contrary to popular beliefs.

Let's go to the young mother with the cellphone. Since we now know that children as young as 8 are being recruited to be Covert Human Intelligence Sources, and the site goes on to back this up with appropriate details, then it should be no problem for the common person to understand the concept of how the stalking takes place.

This way the average person can conceptualise what we mean about the stalking being subtle. I also had this concept from another magazine from several years ago, that showed a picture of a mom with a stroller and her shadow was that of a cop. The picture was done to illustrate what the civilian spies would be like. The concept was a good one then, and in my personal opinion is a good one now. Remember I am not just sitting here daily. I am trying on a continuous bases to bridge the gap between what we experience and what the normal realm has not. I have studied what does and does not work. I have done a great deal to make sure that this does get normalised, and that the actual truth comes out, which is more than I can say for others.

I also wrote and have been meaning to address this issues for some time now, in relationship to the term Gang Stalking.

The term Gang Stalking and why I think it works. When I first came online, there were a lot of terms for what were happening, Gang Stalking, Multi Stalking, Vengeance Stalking, etc, etc.

Over time while I was doing research to try to find out what Gang Stalking was, part of what I tried to do was get the term normalised in society as another website had suggested that we do. This was part of my early activism. I was able by working the search engines to ensure that the term was well placed and became adapted and more accepted in more normal society. I think the only people that the term truly confuses, that I have come across in the last 2 years, are people that are citizen informants who have a specific effort to try to discredit the term. You might get the odd person who is truly confused, but overall, this is a term that many normal people have come to understand. If you change the name, we will and would have had to start all over again. In the middle of trying to get the term normalised, a so called community leader had tried to get the term dropped, and I disagreed with this person and for that reason fought to keep the term alive.

Eg. Imagine if we stopped calling ourselves Targeted Individuals tomorrow and tried for a new term? The same process of normalizing this will begin all over again and that is not good for any movement. I think if anyone that I have come across in the last two years reads the information they understand what this is. Also when People go looking for help outside of the community and go searching in their normal places, they use the term gang stalking, mostly. I find that after two years of a lot of garbage, people in normal circles recognise this term and are able to tell people what to do to get help. I constantly check to see if this is working. I think any attempt to get rid of the term is counter productive for these reason, and I also think this was part of the reason for the attempt by certain parties. That's my feedback on the term Gang Stalking. As for the other matters with the young mother and the terms for what happens to us, I am going to be addressing that.


In addressing the second link I wrote.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vertacs/messages/245?xm=1&m=e&l=1

Now apparently my site is run by Don Russell? Who the hell is that suppose to be? This is like the time starfish perp said that I was imitating some other guy that I did not know at the time. I really appreciate the methods used. Also I appreciate that they went behind my back. It's all good, what is done in darkness will be revealed in light, sooner or later. The day will come. Sooner than later I hope.

[quote]For example, this site is titled "gangstalking", a term which may sound great at first hearing, but when used in conversations with non-targets, has shown that non-targets consistently think in terms of youth/race/biker/Mafia gangs. [/quote]

Since I actually do know what I am talking about. I get this from time to time believe me. Some will go oh yeah those gang's out there. In my personal experience, this is only from the multitude of civilian informants. The same way they operate offline, they operate online the exact same way. People who actually want to listen, none targets, in my two years of posting on forums, do understand the concept and respond well to the subject matter. (Well now they do.) Also considering that the website on the very front lists this

[quote]Gang Stalking is a systemic form of control, which seeks to destroy every aspect of a Targeted Individuals life. The target is followed around and placed under surveillance by Civilian Spies/Snitches 24/7.

The Civilian Spies can be parts of these community oriented policing programs, but most often they are just average citizens. Just like with Cointelpro investigations, everyone in the targets life is contacted and asked to be a part of the ongoing, never ending, monitoring (systemic harassment), which is designed to destroy the target over years and leave them with no form of support. A short and simple definition of gang stalking. What is Gang Stalking?

Gang Stalking is experienced by Targeted Individuals as psychological attack, that is capable of immobilizing and destroying a target over time. The covert methods used often leave no evidence to incriminate the Civilian Spies.

It's similar to workplace mobbing, but takes place outside in the community. It called Gang Stalking, because groups of community Spies organise to stalk and monitor targets 24/7. [/quote]

Again I take no responsibility for human stupidity, or organised citizen informants, or government agents. I think a logical thinking human who is not a perp will understand the concept of what is being said. This site over the last two years for anyone who has been following, has been worked and reworked just so that it can help the average person to understand what we are talking about. When new information comes it's continually worked into the site. Also on the main FAQ page exhibit B

[quote]What are some techniques used against targets?

A few of the most common techniques are listed below.
a) Classical conditioning.

Getting a Targeted Individual sensitized to an everyday stimuli. The targeted individual over a
period of months, or even years is negatively sensitised to an everyday stimuli, which is then used to harass them. It’s used out in public to let them know they are constantly being harassed and monitored. Some examples of everyday stimulus that might be used include: sounds, colors, patterns, actions. Eg. Red, white, yellow, strips, pens clicking, key jangling, loud coughing, loud whistling, loud smacking of clapping of hands together, cell phones, laptops, etc.

b) 24/7 Surveillance This will involve following the target everywhere they go. Learning about the target. Where they shop, work, play, who their friends and family are. Getting close to the target, moving into the community or apartment where they live, across the street. Monitoring the targets phone, house, and computer activity. Surveillance Policy.

c) Isolation of said target.
This is done via slander campaigns, and lies. Eg. People in the targets community are told that the target is a thief, into drugs, a prostitute, pedophile, crazy, in trouble for something, needs to be watched. Files will even be produced on the target, shown to neighbours, family, store keepers.

d) Noise and mimicking campaigns.
Disrupting the targets life, sleep with loud power tools, construction, stereos, doors slamming, etc. Talking in public about private things in the targets life. Mimicking actions of the target. Basically letting the target know that they are in the targets life. Daily interferences, nothing that would be too overt to the untrained eye, but psychologically degrading and damaging to the target over time.

e) Everyday life breaks and street theatre.
Flat tires, sleep deprivation, drugging food, putting dirt on targets property. Mass strangers doing things in public to annoy targets. These strangers might get text messaged to be at a specific time and place, and perform a specific action.

It might seem harmless to these Citizen Informants, but it could be causing great psychological trauma for the target. Eg. Blocking targets path, getting ahead of them in line, cutting or boxing them in on the road, saying or doing things to elicit a response from targets. Etc. It's like the death of a thousand paper cuts. One or two minor incidents will not cause any harm to the target, but over time the target is slowly worn down. [/quote]

It lists these as the main symptoms of Gang Stalking. On to the next bit.

[quote]While many of us believe, with good cause, that government is heavily involved, without courtroom quality evidence, a statement like that above is discrediting. [/quote]

Suddenly courtroom evidence is needed? Really? When the same author was sprouting off information about vigilante gangs, where was the court room information then? Right. Also we don't need court room information. We have historical facts, we also have current news articles about how the anti-terror laws are being abused. We have dozens of items about covert government actions. We have Gloria Naylor, and other significant targets who can directly link this with government involvement, yet suddenly we need a courtroom document, really?

Again I have already addressed the mother and the child issue. Not only is this what they really do in real life, but it's a concept image. For anyone who this works. It's a useful tool for bringing the understanding gap, between the targeted and the none targeted.

[quote]"Civilian spies are recruited from every level and sector of society."
"Spies" is a term I would NEVER use to label our perps. Non targets, at this stage in current affairs, are not prepared to think their neighbourhood is full of "spies." To use the term "spies", I suggest, is very likely to draw the you-are-paranoid response from unaware non-targets. [/quote]

Well many people would never call them Stasi either, or Snitches or Citizen Informants, etc. Many people have different labels for the same things. My site uses various labels to help different people understand the concepts better. Over the last two years. I have talked to people. I have researched, and there are lot's of different people who will visit the site, there are lot's of other people who are going to be targeted.

The word spies will appeal to one sort of audience because they understand, oh community spies. Another person will understand, Snitches, cause they come from a community where the stop snitching movement is in full affect and they are familiar with that term. Others will understand the term Stasi because they dealt with this before. Over the last two years I have made every effort to reach a wide variety of audience members, and to ensure than whoever comes to the site, from whichever demographic to get help, they will see terms and read language that is familiar to them. I have done the same thing with the media that I use. I am trying to do this with the flags that were recently added, since I realised that others in others languages do want access to the information. It's not a perfect translation, but it will give more people access to help.

Also in doing research for what is behind Gang Stalking, I encountered a wide variety of articles, some used the term spies, actually quite a few used that term. So again, just like some prefer the term organised stalking, while others prefer community mobbing, and others Gang Stalking, it's all the same term for the same thing, and using a wider variety of terms, reaches a wider audience. To each their own, but my site has helped many people over the years. The site and the blog, because people see images and concepts that they are familiar with, remember my site is about helping targets first and foremost.

Also my site does have a fair bit of history and also current events on how these programs have been used, and who has used them. It's always been the same source, be it Cointelpro, Red Squads, Stasi, etc. I don't know who Don is, and don't care. My site in it's current incarnation will continue to do what it has always done, and that's help people.

Two years ago when I came online looking into what I thought was harassment, then mobbing then gang stalking, there was help, but not truth. I was chasing phantom vigilante groups, and that was one of the popular terms at the time. A term that was being brandied about. I have no doubt that the term gang stalking was originally chosen to spread confusion, but in the last two years. I and some others have worked really hard to bring the truth of this darkness into the light, and I will not let it be overshadowed.

So I will leave this posting by saying to each his or her own. Your instincts have brought you this far, you know that offline there are many that can not be trusted. You know how programs like Cointelpro worked, and if you don't, go read up on them.

I have spent two years learning, you have been there with me for most of that time. I hope you will not let anyone or anything deceive you from the truth of what is really happening to us, and what is really behind this.

A little disinformation.

A little disinformation goes a long way. I am not above falling for it at times.

When I came online, I didn't know about disinformation agents, those topics were foreign to me, it was conspiracy stuff. Now words and terms like this are common everyday words to me. Things have become so different now, and it's a word that comes up a lot.

How do you know what is real and what is fake? You don't even I don't, not always. I have over time become better at it, and can spot things a lot better, but even I have my moments.

I just came across a really good example of this recently. I came across a post using information from my site, now it's cool, I don't information being used from my site, I don't mind that at all. However there were two points that I noticed which caused me some concern. Now I have spoken to the person and asked them to use the post in full, and not separated, or changed.

However the two parts of the post that worried me were these.

The ended was changed, transposed, the ended that was drawn changed my conclusions about what is behind gang stalking, well not changed them, rather inserted specific conclusions that I did not use on the website. The other part that was worrying is that the post said that the former Stasi signals that were being used back in East Germany were the exact ones being used now.

My site does not say this.

Original text

[quote]Communicate happens in a number of ways. When on the street or in cars patrolling, they use baseball or Stasi like signals. Citizen Informants also seem to get verbal ques via cellphone and earphones.

These include things like tapping the side of the nose, corner of the eye, brushing back the hair 3 times, the infamous double blink, etc.

Here is a list of signals that the former East German Secret Police the Stasi used. http://www.nthposition.com/stasiland.php [/quote]

Those are some of the differences.

[quote]How do participants communicate?

Communication happens in a number of ways. When on the street or in cars patrolling, they use baseball or Stasi like signals. These include things like tapping the side of the nose, corner of the eye, brushing back the hair 3 times, the infamous double blink, etc.

This evil is so bizarre that the perpetrators have a party/celebration when they have collectively destroyed an innocent victim. We collectively have to "Stop The Madness" or Fascism will destroy everything, regardless. It is your duty to copy this article and spread the truth about what's really happening in the community.

Here is a small list of groups/organisations that get used to destroy society (and themselves). Masons, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Knights of Columbus, Opus Dei, Speculative Society, Round Table, Rotarians, Orange Order, Scientology, Monarch Programming, all Religions and Institutions. Also people who have been baited/set up/conned, etc. Here is a list of Stasi signals that the these groups use at Stasi secret police. http://www.nthposition.com/stasiland.php[/quote]

As you can see there is quite an addition to what my site says. I don't know if they have a party after. Sure if you copy the article with that ending, it will not be my words, or the words of my site as the original article appears.

Now that small list could probably be all involved, but to put it in as my sites information is not correctly reusing content from the site.

Also that list is not what is being used now, that link is to the former Stasi Signals.

I have seen posts where people give feedback on the posting with the changed ending, always lot's of good feedback, but it's not in accordance with what is on the site.

That's three things that an unsuspecting target could come across and take for granted as true, because the rest of the article is correct.

Now since I have already spoken to the person, this is not about that, but it got me thinking about a lot of the information out there. Like the movie Zeitgeist, a lot of people watch this movie and they see that the 9/11 stuff is true, and so assume the whole movie is true and correct. I tend to disagree, with some parts of it.

I have seen the same thing with David Icke. I like David Icke, but on more than one occasion, I have watched a video or something that he has said, and the whole things will be correct, then he will put in something that I feel is not correct, or could be unintentional disinformation.

We are not perfect and I have stated that when I first came online, I was for a short time, falling for the vigilante stalking, bs. I got past that quickly, but for a time, I was probably capable of repeating that crap to other people and not doing myself or anyone else any favors.

The point of this post is, that a little disinformation goes a long way. The lies that they tell about us, most times they might be mixed in with enough truth to sound convincing and most people do not take the time to examine things, to go deeper, to look for the truth. They accept the surface stuff, and that's all that they have ever needed. I am the same at times. I am getting better now that I know about disinfo agents, and how these people spread lies, but the majority of the population, they don't know this stuff, they take things mostly at surface value.

I would say be mindful of this and remember that a little disinformation goes a long way, a little leaven will spoil the whole loaf.

Disinformation

http://naffoundation.org/False%20Shepherds.htm

This post is called disinfo. It's taken from a post called false Sheppard's from the Naff site. The common tactics have been reworked to apply to Gang Stalking, and the Targeted Individual Community.

Even as part of the community I don't always have my hands in everything that is happening. I tend to stay away from things that I know will not move this cause forward, that will not get us the answers that we need.

1. Covert Agents will make themselves experts on Gang Stalking. People will be dependent upon them for information instead of looking for other more valid sources of information.

Eg. When I first came online I joined several groups. One group specifically had a leader that many trusted, but over time I realised this person was a what we all called perps at the time. I watched person after person trying to prove that this person was a perp to no avail. When someone would challenge this person the other agents which were most in the group, would start going, no this person is legit. I can tell you I have worked with this person for years and they are legit. Especially this one person who would always pretend to argue with this person, this second person would always come to this first persons rescue.

I watched this scenario repeated, time and time again. Each challenger beat down, and run off the forum. I learnt that it's pointless for me to try to tell others who is a perp and who is not a perp. You have to figure it out for yourself. If you have come this far, only to be deceived by one of them, then I feel even more sorry for you. However I have been deceived by them before, so just keep questioning, and trust your instincts.

2. By being experts especially when claiming to be under attack by the bad guys, they will make legit targets feel sorry for them. They will make targets feel like we are all on the same side, but we are not. This brings targets to these experts for help and information. They see these people as trusted sources. This gives these people opportunities to continue to control targets, and harass targets. This gives these trusted people access to people, to find out their names, where they live, etc.

Eg. When I first started out, like everyone else I went looking for help. I was scared, didn't know WTF was going on, and wanted answers. The first things they tried to do is find out my name and information. "Oh you could be a perp, we don't know who you are, we are not giving you any information till we know more about you, we have had lot's of perps try to infiltrate us", etc. Being a naturally private person, they did not get a lot of details.

When they did think that they knew enough about me, they started to try to use my sensitivity against me. I was confused, because I was like what the heck? How could they all be doing this, just like offline. Cause online you expect to be in the presence of friends right? Wrong, if you can't find people to trust offline, be just as cautious online.

The thing that accidentally clued me in, was one day this perp was having a little too much fun. I didn't think of him as perp at the time, but he said something to the effect of, "wouldn't it be funny if you were in a forum full of perps and didn't know it"? Something about that really stayed with me, and I sat back then and just observed, pretty soon after some time I began to see that he might not have been that far off, or joking. After that I started to learn. It was shortly after that, that I started to look for other answers.

The other problem with these groups is anytime someone started to suggest something that sounded reasonable, it would be shot down and only what this leader said would have validity, it went back and forth like that for some time, and I learnt.

3. These agents what they will do is use legit victims to promote other perps. Eg. A legit target thinks they have found a trusted source, they will promote that source and then get other legit targets to trust the agent and therefore giving out personal information to these people.

Eg. When I first became a target, I use to really reference the David Lawson book, and at first I was on forums going well David Lawson in his book... says this, or says that..., but I had not done the research, I just trusted what these leaders had said, because I knew nothing about disinfo agents, and all these stupid games they play. I learnt in time.

4. Control of information. This is a biggie. Some of the experts in the targeted individual community can restrict what is said. I remember when people would bring up legit topics and it was something that they did not want said, well they would suppress a topic, sometimes legit observations that other targets had made.

Also many of these agents or citizen informants you see them on YouTube, doing their best to make targets look insane, paranoid, or by making up the worst stories.
When I was on some of these sites or forums, you just knew some of the things being said didn't sound right, but you just thought, they can't all be perps can they? Maybe not all, but too many are, and it just brings down legit targets.

Even on normal forums, what they do is they will have specific people who's only job it is to make the topic sound paranoid or crazy, or get legit topics banned, threads closed, or removed. Anything to make sure the correct information does not get out.

Eg. You have Covert sources on these forums going, no the government is not involved, why would the government stalk people, this is vigilante groups, I know this for a fact, cause I know who set me up for the stalking. Don't get me wrong, you have some real targets who might believe they know who did it and from whence it came, but you also have these people spreading what sounds like just enough correct information to make the disinfo sound truthful.

5. The truth factor. Yes this is where they will spread 95% truth and then 5% disinfo, but it's that 5% that will really screw you up. Most people will believe everything said, because you are getting truth, truth, truth, truth, truth, disinfo, truth, truth, truth. I talked about this when I saw a David Icke's video and I said that I believed he was right about 95% of the things he had said, but I believed he was 5% telling a myth with this references to how many messiahs had existed before.

Even without that example, there is the David Lawson book, came out the same year as 9/11. Had all the information needed to sound legit, but he comes to the conclusion that it's foreign terrorists and "anti-government" groups, who are responsible for the organised stalking? Really David? You were like a detective for 12 years, you travelled with these people for like how many years? Yet in my opinion he does not draw the right conclusion. Why is that?

Come on people think. What do you think the purpose of the book was? I have said it before and I will say it again. Either he is an agent, or he is the worst detective ever.

I believe the book is disinfo, using the 95% to 5% rule. Thanks to that book however, how many are still searching for terrorist or right wing groups as the source of their stalking? Remember not everyone has access to online groups. So many will get the book, look in the wrong place, and get themselves put in a mental hospital talking about terrorist stalking them, which I think was the purpose.

6. Yes another problem. By making themselves experts, targets get lazy. We trust them to speak for us. Depending on them to speak for us silences us, and determines the way our cause will move forward, or more importantly will not. Their goal is to keep the truth from us, and from the general public for as long as possible. We also then parrot their disinfo, so when we go to forums and talk about terrorist stalking us or whatever the lie is, then we look insane.

I keep encouraging targets, to find the leader within. Do your own research. If you are not good at research, just think. Does the information they are giving me match what I am seeing offline? Eg. The lie that this was extremist groups doing this, didn't wash. My friends and family were involved, they may be many things, but they are not members of extremist groups. Nore were they likely to be. What they were telling me in these forums, and what I did see, when I finally went outside again did not correspond. So I researched, came up with a hypothesis, when it didn't fully fit, I reworked it, tested it again, and then eventually the evidence matched what I was actually seeing. The pieces of the puzzle started to come together.

If the information is correct, I believed the corresponding proof would come. I think in the last week or two, a wealth of information has been found in my opinion to match what I was saying. I remember when I presented these theories on the forums, I was totally felt shot down and devalued, and I politely just left. It was not giving me the correct answers and I knew it. I more importantly knew that things were not what they seemed. For me it was the right thing to do. I can work well on my own, and if I had stayed in forums, or let others confuse me, I would not have been able to get to the correct information as quickly as I did. Trust your instincts if you have any.

7. By making them experts and our voices, they take away our power, and they move the movement forward the way they want it to go. Also if a target is about to reveal the truth, or come out with information, they will have someone on their side come out with it first, or come out with the information in greater detail. When they can no longer suppress the truth, they will tell the truth, but with their spin, and they will try to make sure that one of their people on their side is running the show.

They never just have one person. They always have several, and they will in subtle ways back each other up. I have said it before and I will say it again. I think out of let's say 10 sites, you will find one or two that are legit, and the rest will be run by their people. That is my personal opinion, but I have my reasons for feeling this way.

They won't all say the same thing, they will be working different angles so you will be like, well these people are doing something different, so you might feel that they are legit, but they still might not be.

8. Being an expert in some ways can be lucrative. Again the David Lawson book was the only thing the community had for some time. A lot of these people know how to work it with books, and DVD, etc. They will know how to network and how to organise better then most targets. Also they will have an agenda, if the truth is going to be disseminated on mass scale, it will be via their channels and not usually ours.

9. The agents I assume have a vested interest in making sure that the truth does not come to light. They do pose as leaders, cause we trust them to know more about the cause than we do. I mean many of them have been here before. Many of them knew about things like mind control, electronic harassment, etc.

When I came online, I looked to others, cause I didn't know what was going on, and it was easy to
truth these people. I was lucky, or maybe I don't know, but I didn't fall into some of the traps that I could of. Mostly I just wanted the truth about what was going on. It's taken up so much of my time.

10. As mentioned before, they will play off of each other. Eg. They will pretend to be on separate sides, then they will both be agents. I have seen this play a dozen times. It's confusing, cause then you are all like, ok I know this person is a perp, so the other person must be legit, not so. They can both perps.

If you are willing to see the truth, then ya it's pretty shocking that most in the community are not what they seem. Not by a long shot. On these forums, I mean normal forums, there are people there to push down our threads when we have legit conversations about these topics. In other cases to get threads closed. In other cases to make the topic sound crazy, and to just pretend to be targets, and make other targets disbelieve the truth.

When I tell you that we are up against a system, I am not joking. Till you see, feel and experience it for yourself, you will find it hard to believe. However for your own sakes, try to see it for what it is, if you are not able to do this, then at least make sure what they are telling you matches up. Do a little bit of searching yourself.