Police Respond to Gang Stalking

After going over some other details, I found the information to be inconclusive, so I will post the links, but I won't embed the videos.

The following video is dated Sept 05 2009. Anyways I assume that the video was made recently and is a new video, but I don't know that for sure.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AC8PDFxnyfQ

In the video a guy in a police outfit, who I assumed to be an officer describes the target opening th door as out of the ordinary behaviour. However it's out of th ordinary based on his life experiences, she could have many reasons that are sane and logical for having a video camera running, one of which could be a deep distrust of the police.

Again what's always interesting is that these experiences are being judged based on a third parties life experience. What if she had been robbed after opening the door, or attacked, and just felt safer having the camera?

He finds it odd because the camera is in her hands, what if she was just recording them without the camera in hand?

Why is it any of his business if she has a blanket or foil in her home? He is there to talk to her about a complaint that someone made so does he actually end up doing so?

She should really just stick to the topic, find out why they are there, I am not even sure why she let them in. I find it interesting that they are there for a report about her taking pictures, but the whole think is about sterotyping target instead, and the whole video never goes back to the reason they were there.

I find it interesting that after 1min and 11 second officer PHD can make a mental health assessment, he must be freakin amazing. He tells the woman in the video that she is displaying delusions of grandeur and delusions of persecution, because she opened the door to them with a video camera and because he sees foil?

Watch the video for yourself and make your own assessment of this officer.

So after 1 min and 31 second again he sees signs of mental illness, in the video if it's a real video and not another informant video, he never mentions about the original reason that they allegedly came knocking at this woman's door. Again two strange men in her home, she by herself, I say keep the video camera running.

I don't know if there is more to this video, but that was interesting.

The other video this woman pretend to go upstarirs to one of her neighbours and then knocking on the neighbours door. At one point she tells the neighbour that it's not in her head. I think instead of doing that, record the noises and the banging and then just go to the management office, with a complaint about the enjoyment of your apartment being interrupted due to noises after hours. Highlight the part of your lease that pertains to this, and then if it continues legal action, but they don't like exposure so that should get it stopped.

This woman in the video says that she lives in a condo, and that there is an asain guy who lives in another condo who is also a target, who is investigating Gang Stalking.


The other video was of the police cutting this woman off while she is driving. It's inconclusive, but again with being targeted it's the overall picture.

The last tape is of her video taping the downtown core, and she talks about some guy with a camera. First she was taking him, then he showed up and started taping her. The video however has no sound, so I just found it very there, till the guy showed up with the camera. The problem is there is no sound. So the audience does not really know what is being said.

On Youtube I have seen videos with no sound, and the narrator tells you what is happening, but you can't always trust what is being said. I find this part of the video odd. The informants don't usually engage the targets to this degree, however anything is possible. Again you have to be careful with youtube, that's why I stopped posting video like this in the first place.

Anyways it's been a long time since I did a post about Targets. I think Dave in Dublin was my last post about the Irish target.

I also found some spoof videos of Gang Stalking, they were funny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RtCqJ280TU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKjyEsMqcE0

The interesting point of this video for me was the fact that the officers could tell this woman that she was showing signs of mental illness for opening the door with a camera, and for having blankets and foil in her home in reference to an EMF sensitivity, which the officer knew nothing about.

This video is interesting because it brings me back to my investigations into Gang Stalking and when I first started investigating this. I was lucky enough to talk to a few police officers. One was useful in providing information that in one area in his division there had been five reports of Gang Stalking, and that they were all female, and single living by themselves.

This was interesting because again it matched what had been reported about single females and the disproportionate amount of targeting that might be happening to them.

I did not get into further demographics with the officer, though I wish I would have. What he did tell me however is that their reports of stalking had been written off as paranoia, and not taken seriously. I mentioned this before, but think about that, 5 single women living in the same division, who were reporting the same thing and it was not being taken seriously.

Anyways interesting stuff, provided that this is a real target and not an informant pretending, then I think some of the videos are of interest.

Psi Ops

As mentioned before the police sometime use psychics in their investigations.

www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article1866075.ece

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“Some of the information is about precise location or co-ordinates and that allows us to go to the place and we will check it,” he said. “Just a few days ago we got one address near Lagos [about five miles from Praia da Luz] but it didn't amount to anything.”
Mr Sousa said he did not believe they had heard from Madeleine's abductor: “If it was a message from the kidnapper, it will offer enough clues to help us to go to the right place.”
He said it was not unusual to investigate the claims of clairvoyants but added it was only one line of investigation.

“In this case the amount of information we have received is huge," he said. “Any information that comes to us, if there is enough to follow, we will check.”

It is not known if a “vision” was the source of the information which led to Portuguese detectives asking British police to raid a London home where they believed Madeleine might have been kept.
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I have also mentioned that they have used remote viewers when looking for hostages, and other events.

http://www.remoteviewinglight.com/html/buchanan-seventh-sense.html

[quote]
Book Description of "The Seventh Sense: The Secrets of Remote Viewing as Told by a Psychic Spy for the U.S. Military", by Lyn Buchanan:For the past thirty years, the United States government has secretly trained a select corps of military personnel in the art of "remote viewing" -- the psychic ability to perceive the thoughts and experiences of others through the power of the human mind...

Now, for the first time, Lyn Buchanan -- a world-renowned expert on remote viewing and its potential -- tells the complete, candid story of his experiences. Assigned for nearly a decade to a clandestine U.S. Army intelligence group, Buchanan trained military personnel who utilized their inherent psychic abilities as a data-collection tool during the Iran hostage crisis, the Chernobyl disaster, and the Gulf War.

In this incredible account, Buchanan tells how he was selected for his unique psychic abilities, and how he was transformed from an ordinary soldier into one of our nation's leading psychic spies. Working on top-secret government and military projects using "mental espionage" created permanent, life-altering changes within Buchanan. Now, after many years of analysis and interpretation, he reveals the techniques and mental exercises used to train remote viewers, and demonstrates that each of us carries a dormant psychic ability that we can explore and use ourselves.

For anyone interested in a hard, scientific look at the reality of psychic covert operations in the world today, or anyone who has ever wondered if he or she could have the inherent skills to become a remote viewer, this fascinating chronicle of life as a psychic spy will reveal the answers.
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There is a lot going on that people are not aware of, or just refuse to accept. I think that's the idea however. I was the same way, but after doing some research, well I am a believer.

http://www.popsci.com/scitech/article/2009-06/mind-reading-tech-way

[quote] Mind-Reading Tech May Not Be Far OffAt the World Science Festival this week, indications that brain scanners may soon uncover your private thoughtsBy Brooke Borel Posted 06.12.2009 at 5:15 pm

Neuroscientists are already able to read some basic thoughts, like whether an individual test subject is looking at a picture of a cat or an image with a specific left or right orientation. They can even read pictures that you're simply imagining in your mind's eye. Even leaders in the field are shocked by how far we've come in our ability to peer into people's minds. Will brain scans of the future be able to tell if a person is lying or telling the truth? Suggest whether a consumer wants to buy a car? Reveal our secret likes and dislikes, or our hidden prejudices? While we aren't there yet, these possibilities have dramatic social, legal and ethical implications.[/quote]

These are artificial means of looking into the mind. What I have been researching are people who would have more natual abilities to reach into the mind and read the private thoughts of others. The ultimate way to violate someone, going into their minds and sharing their private dreams, thoughts, hopes, desires with others. The Tom Cruise movie minority report is in many ways not far off.

http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/shortsharpscience/2008/09/precrime-detector-is-showing-p.html

[quote]
September 23, 2008 1:28 PM'Pre-crime' detector shows promiseFASTLast year, New Scientist revealed that the US Department of Homeland Security is developing a system designed to detect "hostile thoughts" in people walking through border posts, airports and public places. The DHS says recent tests prove it works.

Project Hostile Intent as it was called aimed to help security staff choose who to pull over for a gently probing interview - or more.

ommentators slated the idea that sensors could spot people up to no good from their pulse rate, breathing, skin temperature, or fleeting facial expressions. One likened it to the "pre-crime" units that predict criminal behaviour in the movie Minority Report.

FAST1.jpgHowever, last week, the DHS science unit gave an update on the project, now dubbed the less-hostile-sounding Future Attribute Screening Technologies (FAST) programme. And, if DHS claims are to be believed, the research appears to be getting somewhere
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What I am also saying is that they are now actively using also using readers. Mind readers in the course of their investigations.

What to look for. People who might not have fit in childhood. People who are emotional spazes, not overtly, but may be prone to outbursts. Many might seem nice or friendly on the inside, but might be emotional, and mental manipulators. They are feeders. Mind reading isn't just about reading people's thoughts, it's violating them and feeding that information back to others.

It's a psychic violation, but it's also a bit of a feed. The way some people feed off the energy of others, the readers feed in a similar manner on the thoughts of others. It makes them in many cases feel superior, a secret that others don't know about, or a secret to be used to win friends, and impress others.

In a psi/psy op, these are some of the roles you might expect to find. They may not always be present, but this is a likely senario. These roles have been observed outside of the workplace and in the targets community as well.

Roles
Conductor- (One who coordinates the actions and the players in the environment. Also known as the controller.)
Observers- (People who observe what is happening and report back.
Mind Readers-(When external observations just are not good enough. These will be used to read and report back the targets thoughts and reactions)
Security-(Someone with a security background, anywhere from Judo lessons, to security, etc.)
The persons who will deliver the harassment or sorry the stimuli in the targets environment, whatever that might be. This might be other co-workers, or players specifically hired for the role.


To help you better understand this I will give you a few scenarios.

Scenario one.

Ash has been directed to play the role of conductor.
The stimuli will be delivered by Razon.
The reader will be Ivanna.
Observer will be Khalisha

The circus performers will likely be a part of the targeted individuals training class if there is a training class in session. The reader will try to make friends with the target, because a link has to be established. The conductor get's the participants into their roles.

If it's a situation where there are names on the desk, they manipulate the seating arrangements to suit the situation.

In the above scenario, you would have Razon and others deliver a stimuli, the target would be observed by Khalisha and others, and the conductor ash would tell everyone what to do. The reader Ivanna would have a link to the target, and observer how the target response to the stimulus. So a variety of skits will be run throughout the day, trying to keep the target engaged. While the observers, and the reader watch, record, how the target responds to each stimuli.
The experiment will continue as long as the subject is in the environment. The idea is to find what's working, and ofcourse to try to eliminate the target, by any means necessary from the workplace environment. Again the main players will if possible try to gain access to the target, and befriend the target, depending on the assigned roles.

They will also see and observe if the target has any hostility towards the participant who is delivering the stimuli.

The target is not to realise that such a game is being played, and thus the target is aware of what is happening, but not the roles being carried out, the observations being made, and recorded. Ofcourse much like the couple that was vindicated by having their neighbour who harassed them by singing the Addams family song daily, a target will also be very aware, even hyper aware if there are skits being run, or if they are being exposed to a stimuli, which they have been negatively sensitised to.

The players around may not be aware of this, but they carry out their assigned roles.

Scenario 2

Shylo might be hired for security due to his judo expertise.

Kevi might be hired for her "special abilities".

Depending on the environments, players and roles might be added later on. Eg. If it's a workplace that is doing a lot of hiring, then the players might be hired at once. If it's not a work environment that is doing a lot of hiring, the additional players might have to be hired after.
Again the players would be hired to observe, befriend, find out information on, and watch and listen what happens in the environment. Readers appear to be harmless on the outside, giving off an air of friendliness, but the environments that create such natural abilities, in many cases will show people who were always just on the outside, who needed to develop the special skill to find out what people were thinking to fit in better. It's a manipulative, and deceitful role if it is being done for nefarious purposes. It's also a parasitic and feeding role. Host and parasite. The host often unaware that their very private thoughts, wishes, hopes, dreams are being violated in such a manner.

Again the reader depending on the range, will be in a sitting position as close to the target as needed. Security will also be nearby, should the target flip out. We know how wrong these little psi/psy ops can go. Just like with the first scenario, if a participant has not been hired to deliver the stimuli, then participants in the environment will be told and directed what to do, and will be asked to observer the reaction of the subject.

The reader will be doing the same, but on a very different level. The drama, I mean psi/psy ops begins. It will again keep going with different dramas and skits being introduced into the environment, until the target wigs out, or a reason is found to get rid of the target. If no reason is found, more might be introduced into the environment. The idea is to get the target upset, to quit, to get fired, to have a bad reaction, something to frame the target, to get rid of the target, even if that is not what the players have been overtly told they are doing that is the goal.

Scenario three.

Alexia-The conductor
Sam- Will delver the stimuli
Ronette- Will be security
You have the observers
Fawn- will be the reader

The target will again be placed strategically around the players with the conductor being in a position to direct the person delivering the stimuli. Plus able to co-ordinate the other. The observers will be placed close enough to observe what is happening.

Once again the co-workers will be directed to carry out skits, the players will observe the reaction of the target. The reader depending on range will be asked to be near the target. Security in a similar strategic position. The person who is to deliver the stimuli is usually directly behind the target, across from, or directly in front of the target situation and seating allowed.
Again the target is not to be aware that this is the scenario, or that these skits are deliberately being carried out. The co-workers are told what to do, again often not realising that they are pawns in a pretty unkind psi/psy op. They carry out a stimuli, and then observe the target reaction.

Some workplace environments will foster false reports more than others, these people in many cases will feed the hysteria that is not there, and see things that re not there, based on what they have been told, and is that not just human nature? Remember they are independent agents and they report what they see fit.

I recently reported a story about a guy who back in school we had been told was a pervert in one of my classes when I was back in school. Because of what we had been told, people were always seeing things that were not really there, comments would be taken out of context, and many of the girls thereafter were uncomfortable around him, because of what I now believe was a blatant lie. His life was made hell because of it, but no one believed they were doing anything wrong at the time. He was made out to be an unclean person, and other things, again always the same sources feeding the hate, but we never as a group saw it that way. Now years later on the other side of the fence, I get what was being done, and the behind the scenes that were being manipulated.

So targets it's again very possible that these hateful co-workers, neighbours, etc, are also being manipulated in a similar manner, and because HR or managers, and others in authority are directing them about what to do, say, act, ect, they will go along with it in many cases without question.

So anyways in scenario three, the same actions would be carried out. The target will be strategically placed near the reader, they will be placed in front of, behind, or beside, the person to carry out the stimuli, security will be nearby, and the observers will be all over, ready and waiting for the testimonies to begin. Because such an environment is more then likely to create paranoia amongst people that might not be that bright to begin with, and the games (psi/psy op) are allowed to continue consistently, the fishing expedition is often likely to eventually find something to go fishing with, be it real or imagined.

One thing you can do, is if you are aware of these skits in your life, you might try to find ways of cluing in others, or better yet, see if you or someone around you can take note of what is happening. The more aware people are of what is happening, the better chance they stand of fighting it.

Just being aware that these people are being used might help gain an advantage for many in similar situations.

Censored

http://gangstalkingworld.com/Forum/YaBB.pl?num=1230086137/0

I recently went back to the ABC story regarding what is behind the Internet Conspiracy Empires.

I found this comment on the website.

[quote]Why are Gang Stalking and con artist/mystery monger David Icke both featured in an article about "nutty" conspiracy theories? David Icke has nothing to do with Gang Stalking. I doubt if he has ever used the phrase. The best information on Gang Stalking is in private investigator David Lawson's booklet "Cause Stalking" and Frank Donner's book "Protectors of Privilege." Why were these sources (apparently) not consulted? Gang Stalking is conducted by extremist groups and has been going on for decades. ABC should contact David Lawson and ask him about Gang Stalking. It is regrettable that some people who are Gang Stalking victims adopt "nutty" conspiracy theories. And some people who claim to be Gang Stalking victims are not. They are apparently stalkers who spread bizarre theories to discredit genuine Gang Stalking victims. "Bob" in San Diego.[/quote]

So I responded to Bob in San Diego.

[quote]
Gang Stalking is a covert investigation that is opened up on an individual. The book Cause Stalking is disinformation in my opinion. The government did a lot of this during Cointelpro. Once a covert investigation is opened the target is followed around 24/7 using over and covert methods. Foot patrols follow them around and vehicle patrols.

Targets can not get lawyers or human rights groups involved and that is because it's government sanctioned. I however do agree that there are many people online spreading the fake vigilante myth so that target when they go for help, can appear to be mentally unstable. If you want to read up on some other conspiracies uncovered during the course of Gang Stalking research, you can visit this link.

http://gangstalkingworld.com/Forum/YaBB.pl?num=1229558471 [/quote]

http://a.abcnews.com/Health/MindMoodNews/story?id=6443988&page=1

I found that my post to Bob was deleted 20 minutes later. Apparently ABC has been going and removing comments as some posters had attested to.
So I re-posted my comment and took a screen shot, just to be on the safe side, because I know how these things work sometimes.

After I re-posted my comment and took the screen shot, it was removed 2 second later. Literally when I refreshed it was not there.

http://gangstalkingworld.com/Forum/Attachments/ABCdeleteda.jpg
http://www.GangStalkingUnited.com/images/ABCdeleteda.jpg

Then I tried to post again, and started to get There was a problem with this page, please try again. So I refreshed and tried again, the same thing, the same thing each time.

http://gangstalkingworld.com/Forum/Attachments/ABCcensoreda.jpg
http://www.GangStalkingUnited.com/images/ABCcensoreda.jpg

So I opened a different browser window. It asked me to log in. I tried to log in only to get this error message.

http://gangstalkingworld.com/Forum/Attachments/ABCcensored2a.jpg
http://www.GangStalkingUnited.com/images/ABCcensored2a.jpg

exceptionSubject is required. Then it would not let me log in from the new window, and when trying to post from the old window it was the same error message.

Now why is ABC censoring these comments? I mean if Gang Stalking is not a covert investigation opened on an individual then my posting that should not be a problem.
Now just to make sure that it was not the link, which others have posted links, and that I was not violating any rules, I retyped my post.
[quote]

Gang Stalking is a covert investigation that is opened up on an individual. In my opinion the vigilante myth and the book that refers to it are disinformation. The government did a lot of this during Cointelpro. Once a covert investigation is opened the target is followed around 24/7 using over and covert methods. Foot patrols follow them around and vehicle patrols.

Targets can not get lawyers or human rights groups involved and that is because it's officially sanctioned. I however do agree that there are many people online spreading the fake vigilante myth so that target when they go for help, can appear to be mentally unstable. If you want to read up on some other conspiracies uncovered during the course of Gang Stalking research, you can do a google search for a post called Conspiracies from the Gang Stalking World website. [/quote]

It seems that ABC has an agenda with keeping specific comments out. That is really sad, where is the conspiracy now, you tell me. A major news site that has to censor comments that do not need to be censored or the people who speak the truth and are trying to give them feedback as to what we think about the websites? Specifically when the owner of one of those websites that is mentioned in their article tries to comment and leave feedback.

Anyways I thought it would be interesting to share the information.

Areas to consider when researching Gang Stalking

In researching Gang Stalking there are many factors to be considered. It's not a subject matter that should be studied lightly. Also the average psychiatrist if not familiar with some of the other issues that are affecting members of many communities might not be able to make an iron clad assessment without looking at several factors. Here are factors that I think should be considered.

Areas to be aware of when studying Gang Stalking.

Workplace Mobbing.

It's our nearest and dearest cousin on an emotional and psychological level. The methodology used in workplace mobbing are some of the same that we see happening with Gang Stalking.

http://mobbing-usa.com/

Awareness is slowly growing in the U.S. and in Canada about the darker side of
work and the devastating effects that mobbing and bullying can have on the self,
health, organizations and society. Our colleagues in North America, though still
rather few, do their part to contribute to the growing interest. For example:
Three conferences on the topic have been organized in the U.S. since 2000, in
California, Massachusetts and Iowa; the Department of Environmental Quality for
the State of Oregon has established the first anti-mobbing policy in the U.S.;
efforts to add new anti-mobbing legislation are under way in California, other
states and in Canada; and several new Internet self-help and advice groups and
websites address specific professional groups or aspects of incivility at work.
In the aftermath of the Columbine and other school shooting tragedies, the media
has increasingly discussed bullying in the schools, thus also raising awareness
of adult bullying/mobbing in the workplace.

The Snitching system

Websites such as http://www.november.org/ are doing a really nice job of showing the world the other side of snitching, and it's true affect on society.

Also Alexandra Natapoff has done some wonderful research into the wider and more impacting issues of the Informant system and how it's affecting members of some communities. In some areas over 50% or more of ethnic communities had been inducted into becoming police informants. Both men and women.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mav9tOvmWcQ
http://www.lls.edu/academics/faculty/natapoff-snitching.html

From what I have seen, the numbers are higher than this and it's no longer limited to the communities focused on in her research.

Community Based Policing

This method of policing is changing how societies think, react and interact. It's basically turning our communities into societies like what they have in China, had in Russia, or East Germany. There is a U.N. agenda called 2020 that seeks to adapt this model for every country in the world by 2020.

http://www.albionmonitor.com/9711b/policing.html

"Ruling the community with an iron fist. “Savvy law enforcement types realized that under the community policing rubric, cops, community groups, local companies, private foundations, citizen informants and federal agencies could form alliances without causing public outcry.” Covert Action Quarterly, summer 1997.”

http://www.newswithviews.com/Raapana/niki4.htm
http://www.newswithviews.com/Raapana/niki2.htm

American communitarians promote the same kinds of surveillance and neighborhood
informants the communists used to control East Germans. Americans are slowly
being taught what East Germans had to learn very quickly. Today the KGB trains
"community" police all over America. Our friendly neighborhood cops are saving
our communities from criminals and terrorists.

Crisis Centers

When I tried to follow up on some of the research that "Norma" over at gangstalking.ca had done in conjunction with crisis center I found out that these are some of the places that targets were turning to for help. Before the Gang Stalking websites were available, woman and to a much smaller extent men were calling the crisis centers, more specifically the Rape Crisis Center to get some help, or to find anyone who knew about Gang (Organised) Stalking.

See what some of these psychiatrist do not realise is that before the websites were available, the beliefs were not going away. People were not accepting the false explanation that they were delusional. This was in many cases, too, real, to obvious, and far too life impacting. So when the police failed, doctors, psychiatrists, etc. They were calling the crisis centers.

Online before the Gang Stalking websites, they were visiting Mobbing, Conspiracy, Bullying, and mind control sites. These were the only places that were close to having any information, shared stories, or experiences that might help the target to further understand what they were going through.

Systemic corruption.

Before his death Tim Fields who shed some much needed light on the Bully phenomenon also saw a very obvious pattern of collusion amongst the targets that were seeking help. He started to research it and then passed away before he could get further.

http://www.bullyonline.org/action/obstruct.htm

Many targets of bullying report that they seem to be obstructed every step
of the way in their pursuit of justice. The management refuse to investigate, or
use an untrained investigator, or whitewash the case. The union refuses to help,
or initially shows interest but suddenly changes sides. The solicitor initially
shows interest but then starts acting in a manner which suggests they have the
other side's interests at heart rather than yours.

The employer's lawyers apply for, and obtain, adjournment after
adjournment, then obtain a pre-hearing review which the tribunal chairman
handles in favour of the employer. In the tribunal, favour is shown to the
respondent (employer) and you get the impression that the verdict has been
decided in advance. Your solicitor, the respondent's lawyers and the tribunal
chairman seem to know more about your case than you think they should.

After the tribunal you're left with no option but to privately sue the
employer, the union, and your solicitor, and appeal the tribunal decision, but
by this time you have no job, no income, your savings are gone, so is your
health, maybe your marriage too, and there's no prospect of ever being employed
again, especially in the professions.

Sound familiar? If so, you might be surprised to realise how often this
happens. Mostly it's in cases from the education sector, although it may happen
in any public sector case, for example the NHS. Occasionally, but less often, it
happens in private sector cases, and in rare cases from the voluntary
sector.

Although there's never any substantive proof, it seems that all the parties
arrayed against you have been colluding in secret. The question is, what
allegiance binds these individuals together, and where could they meet such that
the normal rules of confidentiality do not apply? What fraternal obligation
places their duty to support and protect each other above the moral, ethical and
legal obligations by which the rest of us are bound?

Tim Fields is not the only person to have noticed this type of systemic corruption when it comes time to finding help for issues of Bullying, Workplace Mobbing, etc but he might have been the one to shed the brightest light on it, had he lived.

http://www.crvawc.ca/documents/WorkplaceHarassmentandViolencereport.pdf
http://www.harassment101.com/Article5.html

Unchecked Surveillance

The unchecked surveillance that is happening to many private citizens all across the globe. We live in a new reality, but the diagnosis is the same. Think you are being followed around? Must be paranoia. Yet had the family in this article gone for help, thinking they were being spied upon, they might well have been diagnosed as paranoid, when in fact their concerns would have been fully warranted.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-559130/Why-didnt-just-knock-door-ask-couple-tailed-weeks-council-spies.html?printingPage=true
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/columnists/article-559123/Why-earth-Stasi-state-spying-families.html

This wasn't just a cursory background check.The details of the three-week
surveillance operation read like an MI5 logbook: "Target vehicle pulls up and
parks.""Female and three children enter vehicle.""Curtains open and lights on in
premises."

This very average, unassuming family were spied upon, 24/7, followed around by (Informants) Covert Human Intelligence Sources, had their play by play activity recorded, all because someone thought they were falsifying the school district that they lived in. This is just a glimpse at what our societies have turned into and how these laws and unchecked surviellances ae being used and abused, to the unchecked power that has been handed out to many branches within society.

Lastly is the concern or question of wither Gang Stalking website help to enhance, or feed a delusion, and can these website prevent someone from seeking help for an illness?
It's a great question and one that no one can answer definitively. If someone believes that something is wrong and traditional points of reference are not providing answers or a solution, they will clearly look towards other points of healing. This is what was happening with Gang Stalking.

Before the websites were here, the beliefs were still held by individuals. When the websites were not here, people were still desperately seeking help and assistance. They were using outside sources which at times could not always formulate a basis of reference for what they were experiencing, but they were still using those points of references, because it was the best available at the time.

If someone goes to a mobbing website and it confirms a belief that they already have that co-workers are out to get them, then it's up to the individual how they further choose to use the information. The same is true with someone using the bullying website who believes that there is collusion within the system and that is what is happening to them.

The Gang Stalking websites are here, just like mobbing, bullying, etc and they are providing information, research, and shared experiences for the website visitor that chooses to review and consider the information provided.

Gang Stalking, Sexual Assault, and E-harassment.

The next thing I wanted to talk about was an Interview Greg Syzmanski did with Ramona Lopez. The interview is from a couple of years ago.

She was a regular mom who saw kids in her community doing drugs. She wanted to help these kids, so she started with some others in the community to help try to get the drugs stopped.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b59_1194549634

What happened to her was a nightmare. Along the way of trying to stop drugs, she learnt that the officials in the community were actually trying to push drugs on the kids. There she was trying to get the kids off drugs, and the police and others were trying to keep them on drugs.

Well she started to make this known and that is when the trouble started. Her and her friends started to get set up, several of the woman who had tried to help her were set up with narcotics, arrested and placed in jail. She herself was almost set up, but she had tapped the conversation.

She was gang stalked, she actually walked into one of the community policing meetings where they were trying to set her up and demonise her. They didn't realise that she was the one that they were going to be following around, so they spoke openly about her, saying things that were not true. When they realised it was her, they stopped talking at the meeting.

Her family would later be harassed, they started to electronically harass her, she was drugged with needles, she was gang raped in her home, when she went to file a report about it, they did not want to perform a rape kit, when she reported it to the police, the report when no place. She was constantly stopped by the police, demonised, she even eventually lost her home because of the harassment.

They used everything to silence her and the rest of the people that had tried to help these kids. What she discovered is what many others have discovered, the authorities in these areas were the ones trying to push drugs on the kids.

She also when she went to the doctor found that she had been chipped. She has x-rays of this, and other documentation.

She awoke in the middle of the night on more than one occasion when they were in her home, thinking they had her in a drug like state, she could hear them talking above her. (The scene she described reminds me a lot of what some of the abducties have said about waking up, with people around them. I do think there is a tie in to these scenarios.) She talks about how they can make you pass out. What she is referring to by this is how the electronic pulses can put you to sleep, many targets including myself have experienced this. We will be fully awake and if we are not cognizant of the electronic harassment beginning, we will just fall asleep and awake later. Your energy is just zapped, and you just fall asleep, as if you have no energy. Kind of like a small child being instantly rocked to sleep.

She was still being stalked and harassed, they had gone after her family. She is very credible when you listen to her, and there was no reason for the government to do this to this woman, but they did. The drugs in the community never stopped and she became just one more target of the state, who stumbled upon the truth and was silenced for it.

Please take the time to listen to the full audio interview of what they did to this woman.

Operation Gladio

I discovered some new info a few weeks back, but could not blog about them, as I was offline.
The first was Operation Gladio. It's a stay behind operation that enlisted former Nazi and other hard liners.

http://targetedindividuals.com/Community/showthread.php?tid=68

[quote]Emblem of NATO's "stay-behind" paramilitary organizations.After World War II, the UK and the US decided to create "stay-behind" paramilitary organizations, with the official aim of countering a possible Soviet invasion through sabotage and guerrilla warfare behind enemy lines. Arms caches were hidden, escape routes prepared, and loyal members recruited: i.e. mainly hardline anticommunists, including many ex-Nazis or former fascists, whether in Italy or in other European countries. In Germany, for example, Gladio had as a central focus the Gehlen Org — also involved in ODESSA "ratlines" — named after Reinhard Gehlen who would become West Germany's first head of intelligence, while the predominantly Italian P2 masonic lodge was composed of many members of the neofascist Italian Social Movement (MSI), including Licio Gelli. Its clandestine "cells" were to stay behind (hence the name) in enemy controlled territory and to act as resistance movements, conducting sabotage, guerrilla warfare and assassinations.

However, Italian Gladio was more far reaching. "A briefing minute of June 1, 1959, reveals Gladio was built around 'internal subversion'. It was to play 'a determining role… not only on the general policy level of warfare, but also in the politics of emergency'. In the 1970s, with communist electoral support growing and other leftists looking menacing, the establishment turned to the 'Strategy of Tension' … with Gladio eager to be involved."[4]
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Basically you can have a secret army set up in democratic countries around the world and yes sometimes the governments might not be fully aware, and yes sometimes they can seem to have far out reaching powers.

[quote]Next to the CPC, a second secret army command center, labeled Allied Clandestine Committee (ACC), was set up in 1957 on the orders of NATO's Supreme Allied Commander in Europe (SACEUR). This military structure provided for significant US leverage over the secret stay-behind networks in Western Europe as the SACEUR, throughout NATO's history, has traditionally been a US General who reports to the Pentagon in Washington and is based in NATO's Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers Europe (SHAPE) in Mons, Belgium. The ACC's duties included elaborating on the directives of the network, developing its clandestine capability, and organizing bases in Britain and the United States. In wartime, it was to plan stay-behind operations in conjunction with SHAPE. According to former CIA director William Colby, it was 'a major program'."[1] "Coordinated by the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), {the secret armies} were run by the European military secret services in close cooperation with the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and the British foreign secret service Secret Intelligence Service (SIS, also MI6). Trained together with US Green Berets and British Special Air Service (SAS), these clandestine NATO soldiers, armed with underground arms-caches, prepared against a potential Soviet invasion and occupation of Western Europe, as well as the coming to power of communist parties. The clandestine international network covered the European NATO membership, including Belgium, Denmark, France, Germany, Greece, Italy, Luxemburg, Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Spain, and Turkey, as well as the neutral European countries of Austria, Finland, Ireland, Sweden and Switzerland.

'The existence of these clandestine NATO armies remained a closely guarded secret throughout the Cold War until 1990, when the first branch of the international network was discovered in Italy. It was code-named Gladio, the Latin word for a short double-edged sword [gladius]. While the press said the NATO secret armies were 'the best-kept, and most damaging, political-military secret since World War II', the Italian government, amidst sharp public criticism, promised to close down the secret army. Italy insisted identical clandestine armies had also existed in all other countries of Western Europe. This allegation proved correct and subsequent research found that in Belgium, the secret NATO army was code-named SDRA8, in Denmark Absalon, in Germany TD BJD, in Greece LOK, in Luxemburg Stay-Behind, in the Netherlands I&O, in Norway ROC, in Portugal Aginter, in Switzerland P26, in Turkey Counter-Guerrilla, In Sweden AGAG (Aktions Gruppen Arla Gryning, and in Austria OWSGV. However, the code names of the secret armies in France, Finland and Spain remain unknown. Upon learning of the discovery, the parliament of the European Union (EU) drafted a resolution sharply criticizing the fact (...) Yet only Italy, Belgium and Switzerland carried out parliamentary investigations, while the administration of President George H. W. Bush refused to comment, being in the midst of preparations for war against Saddam Hussein in the Persian Gulf, and fearing potential damages to the military alliance."[1]
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Now there was a great youtube documentary about this, but it's been removed. I hope someone will get it and repost it. If they do, I obviously won't be able to link to it, because it would just be taken down again. Anyways, it's facinating reading and just goes to show what clandestine forces can get up to without people being aware of it.

Still not convinced that the world has been taken over by zoombie snitches, citzen informants?

Check out police state planning. http://www.PoliceStatePlanning.com

They much like Mark M. Rich and his website, give a good, well research account of what is happening for the world enslavement roadmap. They seem to stay away from the topic of the snitches, but it's also a good site that has lot's of well researched information, and a neat little ebook that you can download.

http://www.policestateplanning.com/download_pdf_version.htm

You can't just understand the time we are living in with your mind. You have to feel and experience it with every part of your being to believe it, and even then it might not be enough, but it's a start.

Tips and Tricks 4

Tips and tricks.

After doing this for sometime I am going to revise some suggestions.

Targets might want to consider wither or not to use their real identities or a faux identity while online. Mark was pretty open and used his real information as were some others. Over time from what I can see, targets might be better off while online using something different or in between. Eg. Anthony Brina and many others use faux names while online. I think this has worked well and might be applied depending on your situation. I have seen it now on several occasions where they think they know who a target is, and they will begin psychological targeting of the Targeted Individual they think it is. (I have seen them be wrong, and right and the effects that it has.)

This will also depend on how comfortable or uncomfortable you are with your situation. The other thing I would recommend is that if you do use Youtube.com, then do it in a way that protects your identity. Again Youtube.com can be very effective means of communication, but use it wisely.

Legal and Investigation means.

Over the course of this as you know, I have spoken to police, lawyers, investigators, community workers, individual sources, other targets, etc.

There are many different avenues that a target should try to use when seeking assistance with these covert investigations, or Cointelpro like investigations if you will.

Many targets by the time they find out what is ongoing are usually too improvised to do anything about it, but if you have the means, then you might want to try finding a private investigator, one with prior law enforcement experience, who are familiar with these Covert (Cointelpro) Investigations. (If they say they are not then maybe look elsewhere.)

For the rest who can not afford this means, you can see if you can get your Freedom of information records, keep in mind that you will often get an initial report that there is nothing being investigated, and you might have to follow up with several subsequent requests, or letters.
Going to the police as we have seen usually causes more problems, it does not mean that we should not try, but we have to be careful in our dealings with these people.
Lawyers, there are some that will take a case without proof, but again many will ask that you gather evidence first, and then take it from there.

Background checks.

As a target when doing a background check these are things to consider.
Here is some information one company provided about their background checks.

[quote]
EMPLOYMENT SERVICES
Your first step in making an informed hiring decision. We make it our business to know your business to provide a total solution for your human resource needs. From initial screening to data verification, qualitative assessment and even post-hire evaluations, we will free you to make decisions and not gather background information.
Through thorough investigations we can verify positions held, performance record, income, job skills, attitude, verify education and much more. Other optional information such as driving history, bankruptcy, financial background, and criminal records.[/quote]
Just some things to be aware of. Also some really good info from PrivacyRights.org. I think it focuses on California based background checks, but the information that can be gathered should be pretty consistent across the board.
http://www.privacyrights.org/fs/fs16-bck.htm
If you take the time to read the page you will see that there is a great deal of information that can be gathered about you from a standard background checks, up to and including,
[quote]

Part 2. What Is Included in a Background Check?

Background reports can range from a verification of an applicant's Social Security number to a detailed account of the potential employee's history and acquaintances. [b]There is even some evidence that employers are now searching popular social networking Web sites such as MySpace and Facebook for the profiles of applicants.[/b]

Here are some of the pieces of information that might be included in a background check. Note that many of these sources are public records created by government agencies.
Driving records, Vehicle registration, Credit records, Criminal records, Social Security no, Education records,Court records, Workers' compensation, Bankruptcy, Character references, Neighbor interviews, Medical records, Property ownership, Military records, State licensing records, Drug test records, Past employers, Personal references, Incarceration records, Sex offender lists.[/quote]

[quote]In both of these situations, the applicant would not have the ability to obtain a copy of the background check to find out what negative information it contained. We have learned of situations where the individual remained unemployed for years, not knowing that wrongful criminal records which resulted from identity theft were the reason for the individual's failure to find employment. (Read "Identity Theft: The Growing Problem of Wrongful Criminal Records,"
www.privacyrights.org/ar/wcr.htm.)
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So it's really important as a target that you try to find out what information is out there about yourself, you might want to conduct your own background check and records check, again if you have the means. It might not uncover anything, but it's a good place to start.
Just some things to think about.

Next time we will look into National Security Letters, the gift that just keeps on giving. I would like to thank the poster who tuned me onto these. If someone is being investigated and your information just happens to be in their possession, accidental or other wise, it could potentially put you onto a list as someone to be monitored. I am still doing the research on these, and I hope to post some good info about these next times. Just one more way society is being silenced, hushed, and turned into a zombie army of snitches, willingly or unwillingly.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/22/AR2007032201882.html

Hypothetical

The following is reposted by request. It 's a record of a forum conversation conducted some months ago regarding gang stalking/Covert Investigations that has now been removed. The following was a "hypothetical conversation" between GS, and BB another poster.

BB-
1. I was talking to a friend about all the posts concerning Gang Stalking and community policing, and we came up with these things that we think may help counter the stalking.
2. (Intended For entertainment purposes only, and on the assumption such a thing as Gang Stalking exists of course, so don’t take any of this seriously).
He he he he.
3. Have friends sign up for community policing, so you have some one on the inside.
4. Walk your block, any were you can have a good vantage point of the area, is were they will be, so if you see some one there, it will probably be them. (Identifying, them is half the battle).
5. Bug your own car, in case they set you up, use voice or sound activated tape recorders when ever you can, like in your home. If some one comes in while you are out, you now have a voice. Carry one under your shirt.
6. Start your own data base; always have a camera or video with you ALLWAYS. Record possible faces and cars. (You could say you are making a movie or you are an artist as a reason for always being seen taking pictures of cars and people).
7. Lead them to areas were you know there is not much traffic or people, have a friend hide with a video cam, to catch the car plates and the people in the cares if he/she can.
8. (Call the friend from a pay phone).
9. If you are set up, take as many of them to jail with you as you can (set them up, he he he just kidding). If you can’t figure who set them on you, them implicate your known enemies, as drug dealers or rats or other. If you go down when they go through your computer or diary, and there is the names of the locals you think may be involved; now they are in the hot seat to.
10. Get a friend to call and find out were they meet and collect as much info as possible.
11. Have your lawyer ask if the accuser, or accusers, are, or have ever been, a part of community policing, and if they have ever been told to follow or monitor you, then lead to how often and how many people involved. (to show stalking).
12. Freedom of information form can be filled out by your lawyer, ask to see if the local police have ever had you under surveillance, for how long, how many involved, and if community policing was used. And why.
13. Place small peaces of paper on top of your door when you close it or tie a hair across it, or place a small breakable fuse under door mats when you leave to see if they have been disturbed when you get back home.
14. Spread pepper to through dogs of from smelling around or in your home, the basement in particular.
15. Keep a diary, and make burn CDs of all video and pictures you have of them. Make lots of copies, and mail or email them to your self or friends to keep.
16. Have more than one email address.
17. When possible have other people use you computer, (with in reason), if anything is planted by the stalkers now you are not the only one that has used it.
18. Call work (payphone) take the occasional impromptu long drive late Sunday.
You don’t have to go to work they do, and they (probably as many as four cars) will all have to pay gas. (Gets expensive for volunteers).
19. Bike up one way streets, (just kidding that is eligal and dangerous, dont do it, he he he) this annoys them when they are in cars, or take your bike in the trunk then pull over lock your car then bike.
20. When they stalk you in cars they will run a box type pattern, two or three will get in front of you and then one will split to the left and right to monitor if you turn right or left one will stay in front and one will be behind you by a few blocks. You are now boxed in no matter what direction you turn. Exhaust them and there gas and resources by walking or driving a few docks in one direction then go back then reverse it, you travel less than they do they spend money.
21. When you see one of them approach them, and ask for the time, or start a conversation there friends will gather, but they are not supposed to talk to you as they may find out you are innocent and this will cause them to question there superiors, and there operation could be jeopardized.
22. If they cause you to loose your job, then you have complete control over the hours you sleep and were you go, make them follow you at three or four in the morning then switch your sleeping pattern.
23. Condition them to expect certain behavior (walk at the same time every day, go to the same coffee shop), then when you need to you can throw them a curve.
24. Be around people as much as possible.
25. Get a police background check done on your self, it costs about $25.00 then when it comes back clear use it to try to join community policing, (now they cant say they did not know you were innocent and not a criminal, in court this is a good tool).
26. Have friends get the police check done and have them join community policing, so you have inside information to confirm you are being stalked.
27. Do volunteer work in the community to improve you image and to cause the stalkers to doubt why they are stalking someone that is helping the community. And to be around people and to stay sane.
28. Don’t be a victim; use your imagination to set them up and to expose them. Dont assume there is no counter to Gang Stalking, if it was invented by man it can be broken or counterd by man.
Don’t take any of this seriously it is all hypothetical and not intended as advise of any kind. As we all know Gang Stalking does not exist. He he he he.


GS-
Thank you for the hypothetical suggestions.
Yeah well apparently gang stalking does not exist, from what I can see it was set up as disinformation to lead targets astray from these stupid insidious Cointelpro type investigations that are happening to innocent people in society.
They threw in just enough truth to make it feasable, so that when targets go to the police, who fully know what's happening, and start complaining about gang stalking, they get their butt's kicked, or get termed crazy, or whatever.

You have a covert investigation, where there people friends, families, employers, landlords etc, are contacted and told God know's what about these people, and then they get asked to spy on you. Also with the community civilian snitches, who use their little Stasi signal to communicate. (How appropriate.)

If I had known when this junk first began that that was what was going on, I could have gone straight to a lawyer, and said hey look, this is what seems to be going on, can you do anything? Instead I had to spend months looking into this, to try to figure out what is happening to the targets.

People like David Lawson who wrote terrorist stalking in America are either government agents spreading disinfo, or just really stupid. Considering the term gang stalking did not come along until after his first book, and now they seem to be trying to fade out the term it's so irritating.
From what I read about Kilmeer Gill, you know that Montreal shooter, it sounds like he might have been under watch for over 6 years. Things that were written in his blog, sound like this, and if that's the case, they might have driven him to a state where he was capable of hurting those people. I think the actions of these covert investigation are criminal themselves. Just like Cointelpro was criminal and conducted by the government, it's the same thing, but now they are using civilian spies to help ruin the lives of innocent people.

Do you know how many people are taking part in this, who don't know the harm they are doing to others, or the roles they are really playing? I think that the media have a responsibillity to report this stuff, and to do investigative documentaries about this stuff, but just like during the McCarthy era, they won't, and more innocent people will just get destroyed. It saddens me to realise that we are once again in such at time period.

With people trying to sensor this information. It really makes me very angry, that someone would censor information on something that is affecting innocent people. People have a right to know, and they trust the media to tell them. http://www.thestar.com/printArticle/201696
At least some of the truth is getting through, but it's a shame that more media people are not stepping up to the plate and trying to do the right thing. Whatever that is in our new survellence, snitch society, where everyone monitors everyone else.

BB-
What you say about Kilmeer Gill sounds possible, he did say he wanted to get away but that they wouldn’t let him, or something like that.
He sounded like he could have been Gang Stalked to the breaking point.
I don’t understand why people don’t legislate for:
1. Them to have identification displayed that could be easily seen from a distance for the safety of the people they follow and assume guilty, and for the safety of the general public, and the volunteers them self’s.
2. I am asking what safeguards are in place for the public, to show there is no abuse of power by the COPP type programs.
3. What is in place to stop them (COPP) targeting Natives or others, based on a bias or the word of someone with a grudge or even on the word of a cop.
4. Where are the neutral third parties and the transparency for the public to observe?
And question and watch them at will.
5. Where or at what point are the people targeted allowed to see the evidence against them and to disprove it to the COPP, Gang Stalkers?
6. What is the Government doing to be held accountable for the safety of the citizens on patrol volunteers, and the people they may follow, or Stalk, on behalf of the police (Hypothetical example).
7. Why are there no limits to the length of Stalking time to avoided disasters? Kilmeer Gill as possible example you have given. If the police have to have programs like COPP to Stalk or harass people for them then there should be a limit of two weeks or months. After that the police should do there own work, or have CSIS do it for them.

Have the COPP programs set them selves up as judge, jury, and executioner?
Inventing evidence when none is there to justify there existence?
The COPP programs volunteers would not be told that they are harassing innocent people, and most would not question there authority figures. They would simply be unaware that what they are being asked to do, is legal (hence the need for no identification on cars or persons).
Nor would they need to know they could be the cause of someone snapping or committing suicide, as you saw this is a real possibility. I guess it would all depend on how fanatical there leader is. All this is a possibility, so what precautions are in place?

And the problem comes when they start stalking people that are not criminals, but that may have been out spoken either against police or government or other groups.
Even a good person can be painted as a criminal when they (COPP programs) choose to use these tactics, with police backing.

I am not saying that this is the case, but Is this Russia are they the COPP programs against people having the right to answer to what ever COPP has accused them of, that may have caused the Gang Stalking in the first place?

What safeguards are in place by the Government for the public, to show there is no abuse of power by the COPP programs?
It they were to “gang stalk” people on behalf of the police or other force (just an example you understand).

I would think it would be dangerous to them, as most criminals are a little paranoid to begin with. Having them (alleged criminals) “gang stalked” on behalf of the police, would place them the citizens on patrol in danger, as they may be mistaken for other criminals or gang members.
Are these people required by the Government to wear easily seen identification on there cars and persons at all times?

Have the police ever gotten the citizens on patrol to follow or “Gang Stalk” people under a presumption of guilt rather than actual guilt?

After all the RCMP fiascos can we afford not to ask these questions and have safe guards put in place?

All of this is just wild speculation and rumor of course.

Why has no one tried to get inside there groups and expose them?

Why has no one tried to write a book outlining some of there tactics. And measures to counter there tactics (it would be a hell of a money maker).

All of this is just wild speculation and rumor of course, based on the assumption that such a thing as Gang Stalking by police sponsored vigilante type groups exists.

GS- Here is some more information on Gill and why I think he really was a target of this practice, and I think this is what lead to the shooting in Montreal. This is why I think what I do, and this is why I would like to see more media information about this.
http://www.thetrenchcoat.com/archives/1487-The-blogroll-on-Kimveer-Gill.html

For those with a short memory you might remember that Kimveer Gill was the young Montreal man who went on a shooting spree several months ago killing at least 1 person and wounding at least a dozen others.

Most people just wrote him off as a nut case who was into video games and mixed up fantasy with reality, a goth who hated society. For those of us who stopped to read some of his postings to gain clues to what might have happened, there is an angle that has not been discussed, that has not been talked about.

Here are some of his blog postings that I found really interesting.
Dated September 12, 2006

[quote]Stop Bullying
It?s not only the bully?s fault you know!!
It?s the teachers and principals fault for turning a blind eye, just cuz it?s not their job. You *uckers are pathetic.
It?s the police?s fault for not doing anything when people conplain (oops, my mistake, the cops are corrupt sons of whores, so it?s not like they can do anything about it.)
*UCK THE POLICE
It?s society?s fault for acting like it?s normal for people to be assholes to each other. Society disgusts me.
It?s everyone?s fault for being so apathetic towards *ucking everything that doesn?t affect them personally. *UCK YOU SOCIETY.
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It sounds like his bullying, which is what he called it, might have involved trying to get the police to do something, but it sounds like they not only did not do anything about the bullying, they also he ends with calling them corrupt. Why?

Not so outside the realm of what you might find in many other bullying cases, but here is something that is particularly interesting.

[quote]I wonder why my household has been under surveillance by law enforcement for 6 years now? Makes no sense to me!!
Oh, you?re wondering how I know?
lol
Bet you little monkeys are
Hey, assholes!!
Everything everyone says or does against me is shown to me in my dreams, I see everything. You *ucking monkeys.
God, you humans are so inferior.
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The above is taken from the trench coat site, where they have his blog postings. Now the last post was the one I found the most interesting, when doing research on this. Trying to understand if in fact the actions of others, did in part lead to the situation in Montreal, and if so what can be done to prevent it and avoid it in future.

I am wondering what guidelines there are in place for things like this, but after reading about Mahar Arar and the bs the CSIS and RCMP pulled, I realized there is no one moral at the gate. I mean they realised the man was innocent and did nothing to change the perception of his guilt and were willing to let him rot in some country where he was being tortured, and part of why he was on some list had more to do with who he had associated with in the past.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/arar/

[quote]Zaccardelli says he first learned that the Mounties had passed erroneous information about Arar on to U.S authorities after a public inquiry report was released by Justice Dennis O'Connor in the fall of 2006. In September that year, Zaccardelli told a parliamentary committee that he had learned of the RCMP's mistake shortly after Arar's deportation to Syria in 2002. [/quote]

From what I understand after ralising that the RCMP was corrupt, they created CSIS only to have the same corruption happen all over again.

They knew they had passed on false information and did nothing to correct it, if anything they did the opposite. These are the people we are suppose to trust, to protect us and the rights of innocent citizens.

[quote]RCMP Commissioner Giuliano Zaccardelli breaks more than a week of silence on Maher Arar's ordeal, apologizing for the "nightmare" that arose when the Mounties wrongly linked him to terrorism. Speaking before the House of Commons security committee, Zaccardelli denies that the government muzzled him from speaking earlier on the case and insists he will not step down as commissioner over the affair.
Several critics have called for Zaccardelli's resignation following the revelation of the RCMP's blunders, detailed in O'Connor's report on the investigation.
[/quote]

The same thing happens in these covert investigations. I can see why they are opened in secret to an extent, but based on extensive conversations with people that are being harassed in this way, there is a lot being done to set them up so that they can look and come across as crazy. Wither it's them being batted in public, so they can have an angry outburst, to them having their home entered and stuff moved around, or other small things that make them sound collectively crazy it's the same thing, and there is seemingly no reason for it.

The other thing is some of these people are whistle-blowers, minorities, and single woman, people that are marginalized or independent, the type that for whatever reason the government has decided to go after. There are people that I have talked to that have said that this has been going on for 10 years, 15 years, 20 years. How inefficient would you have to be, that you need 20 years to determine if someone is a criminal, crazy, terrorist, whatever lie you are making up? Honestly.

There does not seem to be any moral force governing this, and from what I can see, have observed, and confirmed with others, the police are fully corporation with making these people sound like they are crazy when they go to the police. Eg. The police are aware of these eyes and ears programs, when I spoke to one office he had in his division 5 reports of stalking of this specific nature. The reports were apparently all from single females, and yet he was writing them off as paranoid. (These community officers know about this program, because they are the ones who are in charge of it for the various divisions, just to give you an idea.)

From what I can see it seems that a large part of society is going along with the snitching and civilian spying, but not necessarily the brightest part of society, or the cleanest. What I mean is, I have seen some people that I am pretty sure are criminal elements, who acting as civilian spies, and I am so grossed out by that. I mean snitches will sell their mothers out for money, why not innocent people?

Since this is being used to target certain primary groups, what you have said about this being used as a revenge service has a lot of merit. To this date, there is no clear guideline that I have been able to find to the length of time a covert investigation can be ongoing for, the guidelines for incidents getting reported. Eg. I mentioned targets being set up by some of these snitches/civilian spies.

[quote]1. Them to have identification displayed that could be easily seen from a distance for the safety of the people they follow and assume guilty, and for the safety of the general public, and the volunteers them self’s.
2. I am asking what safeguards are in place for the public, to show there is no abuse of power by the COPP type programs.
3. What is in place to stop them (COPP) targeting Natives or others, based on a bias or the word of someone with a grudge or even on the word of a cop.
4. Where are the neutral third parties and the transparency for the public to observe?
And question and watch them at will.
5. Where or at what point are the people targeted allowed to see the evidence against them and to disprove it to the COPP, Gang Stalkers?
6. What is the Government doing to be held accountable for the safety of the citizens on patrol volunteers, and the people they may follow, or Stalk, on behalf of the police (Hypothetical example).
7. Why are there no limits to the length of Stalking time to avoided disasters? Kilmeer Gill as possible example you have given. If the police have to have programs like COPP to Stalk or harass people for them then there should be a limit of two weeks or months. After that the police should do there own work, or have CSIS do it for them.
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1. See they are suppose to be just average citizens while out on the road, they act as the eyes and ears of society, so for the snitching purpose of this, giving them identification would not work. The other problem is because there is no id, anyone and I do mean anyone can take advantage of this. If I am aware of this, who else is? Skin heads, KKK, can you imagine them baiting a target, then several of their friends reporting the incident of the crazy target? Hitlers Brown Coats, use to do this to the Jews in WWII so they could make them act out and get arrested, and now we have this in our society.

2. There are no safeguards from what I can see, because if the target of this can not give their feedback or input, then it's completely bogus. Eg. Even when targets file police reports, the police reports are often not filed, or purposely twisted around to make the target look crazy. Also with the baiting, the target never get's to explain why they got angry or yelled at someone. Guilty because some corrupt people say so, and the target get's no input, and from what I can see, there are people purposely baiting targets, with the blessing of the people in charge. (From what I can see.)

3. There is nothing to stop them, and based on who is getting targeted, it looks like they are one step ahead of you with choosing whom to target. Society already has the police racial profiling people this is just one more way for them to do it and long term, until someones life is destroyed. There is no time line for these investigations.

4. Not only that, but if you suspect you are under investigation, there is no place to go, and no party to turn to. Amnesty will not help with this, and most lawyers can not discuss this, because how many have also agreed to be the eyes and ears of the state? So targets are left with no resources to clear their names. And since the media will also do nothing to help, most don't know what exactly is happening to them.

5. They are never allowed to see the evidence against them. Just like Guantanamo Bay, So there could be tons of erroneous bs, and all the target know is maybe they can't get an apartment, or find a job, or people are mean or rude to them, but they have no idea why. The ultimate way to black ball and black list someone, and where is the media to help them? Nowhere.

6. I don't know about that, but if Gill was a target of this, then they should be charged equally with the death of that girl. You can not do something so inhuman to someone and then wonder at the outcome. We now recognise this in bullying and the connection to school shootings. We need to acknowledge this as well. I think the thing with these investigations is that some targets will kill themselves, others, go to jail, become homeless, or be institutionalised, and if only a small percentage is damaged every year, it does not appear that bad.

Videos: Cointelpro.
1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=si1bHa45u18
2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJqMcafwFJ8
3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fN9TZDL4WqI
4. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbMsOGWN_ts
7. Because from the research that I have been able to find, and from talking to others, just like
with Cointelpro investigations, the goal is to destroy the target. They did this to Martin Luther King Jr. People have to understand that governments do bad things. If the media would do their jobs, then this would be understood.

They tried to destroy that man, and when that failed, they targeted him for termination, and a month later he was assassinated.
http://www.icdc.com/~paulwolf/cointelpro/churchfinalreportIIIb.htm

[quote]Have the COPP programs set them selves up as judge, jury, and executioner? Inventing evidence when none is there to justify there existence? [/quote]

I think the people running this have set themselves up to be just that, since there is no input from the target. How in a democratic society can you be declared guilty without seeing the evidence against you, and have you life so interfered with. I mean these people will contact everyone in a targets life with the same lies, and ask or force them to go along with the spying. Every store a target goes into, they are exposed as someone who needs watching wither it's true or not.

Exactly. Inventing evidence to justify their existence. If they can show that we have a bunch of unstable, criminal, terrorist people in society, then it's funding for them. It's reason for their existence. There is no one saying hey wait a second, how do we know it's true? Cointelpro all over again.

[quote]The COPP programs volunteers would not be told that they are harassing innocent people, and most would not question there authority figures. They would simply be unaware that what they are being asked to do, is legal (hence the need for no identification on cars or persons).

Nor would they need to know they could be the cause of someone snapping or committing suicide, as you saw this is a real possibility. I guess it would all depend on how fanatical there leader is. All this is a possibility, so what precautions are in place?
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Exactly. Then you get a term like gang stalking and it just confuses things. Eg. The target goes looking for answers and via the term gang stalking, they are told it's these evil vigilante types that are committing this stuff. They know themselves to be innocent so of course they believe that it's vigilantes.

Meanwhile the people doing the stalking, sorry civilian spying, see about 15 minutes of the targets life. So they really do believe they are stalking someone who is crazy, a criminal, danger to society, whatever lie they have been told. A lot of them are just trying to be good citizens.
So you have two world's colliding. The target who is followed and harassed every freaking day gets it. They feel victimized, and they have no place to turn for help or assistance. They become a creature with their back to the wall, most will eventually come out fighting.

The civilian spies might be told to jiggle keys at someone every time the subway announcement is read out, while someone else none partial observes the behaviour. (This is how it's suppose to be neutral and none partial, and fair.) What they don't see, is the little trouble maker who tried to shove the keys in someones face, and upset them just 10 minutes later. Thus they get angry because they are acutely aware that they are being harassed and they don't like it.

So from the targets point of view they are getting harassed, from the person who is observing this, the target is acting irrational. Cause they don't see the people who tried to trip the target, while the other jangled keys in front of them yesterday. Etc. This goes on, and they take the input of the person doing the observation and the civilian spies. So it all looks neutral. I mean 7 civilian spies who don't know the target are not going to make up a lie right? If they don't have the whole picture, then yes that is what they are doing inadvertently, and it's shame. A lot of the civilian spies are not bad people. They think they are helping the country.

I mean they don't any better. They are asked to observe someone for 15 minutes, they see them flipping out, they file a report, and they never ask or question the events that came before it.

[quote]And the problem comes when they start stalking people that are not criminals, but that may have been out spoken either against police or government or other groups.
Even a good person can be painted as a criminal when they (COPP programs) choose to use these tactics, with police backing.
I am not saying that this is the case, but Is this Russia are they the COPP programs against people having the right to answer to what ever COPP has accused them of, that may have caused the Gang Stalking in the first place? [/quote]

In Russia they used this on activists and dissidents all the time to make them look mentally ill, so they could lock them away.

The other problem is they are using criminal elements to be the extra set of eyes and ears. So you have low lives, also helping to stalk innocent people. Clearly I don't have to paint this picture for you.

[quote]What safeguards are in place by the Government for the public, to show there is no abuse of power by the COPP programs? [/quote]

In the research that I have done over the last 10 months I have found nothing. The police will not talk about the investigations or how someone get's off the list. (I have been able to get that far, but stalled with the investigations unit.) The RCMP have a complaint process, but it's for a complaint against a specific agent or person.

Since targets don't have names, or a clear info about which division is doing what, who is heading stuff up, it's really hard. Also since the police are lying about this, it's almost impossible. Very few will admit to the program and very few will try to do anything to help targets. Most will flat out lie and say there is no such thing. (Harder for them, since the article came out, but they do still try.)

[quote]Have the police ever gotten the citizens on patrol to follow or “Gang Stalk” people under a presumption of guilt rather than actual guilt?
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I think we all know the answer to this question. You have some really good questions, and you understand this really well. Hypothetically of course.

[quote]After all the RCMP fiascos can we afford not to ask these questions and have safe guards put in place?
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No the truth is, we can not afford to, but yet we do anyways.

[quote]Why has no one tried to get inside there groups and expose them?
Why has no one tried to write a book outlining some of there tactics. And measures to counter there tactics (it would be a hell of a money maker).
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The problem is as a target, you will not be asked to be a civilian spy, so you have to use those investigative journalist skills to find out any details.

Phones bugged, acquaintances all of them contacted, so they are all sworn to secrecy, and most do keep their mouths shut. Only a few targets have been lucky enough to have good friends clue them in.

I agree with the book idea, but because of what David Lawson did with his book, it might make targets look questionable.

[quote]Stalking by police sponsored vigilante type groups exists.[/quote]

Remember they don't call it state sponsored stalking. They call it being an extra set of eyes and ears. It's so nice the PC terms being used. I guess to call it the means of driving your fellow citizens to suicide, mass slaughter, institutionalization, jail, or homelessness, just does not have the same ring to it.

Out for a walk

for So I went out for a walk today. It was really nice. This month has been all together just so nice. The sun was just the right amount of warmth, and it was just so beautiful. It' the sort of day you dream about, maybe I did. I went for a walk cause I am offline today. I woke up and my telephone and Internet were just gone. It was like ok. I really needed to get some stuff done and the last while has been sort of problems with the Internet and things like that. Plus there are all these other weird things happening with my phone line it's hard to explain. Like yesterday I called someone from one connection, they could not hear me, so I called back the same number on the land line and ofcourse someone completely different answered the phone. I could see that I had dialed the right number, but I called again sagangstame thing. Plus sometimes the phone upstairs in my neighbours home rings, I hear nothing at my end in my apartment, but then I get a message on my answering machine. The phone company has offered to look into it and to try to bill me if the problem is on my end. investigations, what category does that fall into? Anyways I hope they get the problem fixed soon, but theny time outside today. Plus since the phone going dead without any dial tone was what would happen at the other apartment I am sure it's being done from the same source. I understand this is outside of the guidelines, but then so is everything else, however it's something that should be getting reported, so here it is. From what I understand there are guidelines that should be getting followed and cutting off my phone/Internet service is not one of them. So many targets report these sorts of interferences. Sometimes you just have to watch them in action and see the stuff that they do, and come up with. They get the stupidest creatures working for them, and with them sometimes it's just frustrating, but that's the idea. Oh well.

It's weird you know it feels like the world has changed, but then I realise that it has not. The world is the exact same as it always was, the only thing that has changed is my perception of it. People snitching, spying, betraying, lying it's all the same as it ever was. My awareness is all that has changed. The world is as it always was. I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing, but that is where it is.

I had gone for a walk the other day as well, and it was so nice, people, children the park I walked past, it all seemed so nice, but in the back drop their is this knowledge. It's almost like in T2 (Terminator 2) You see Sarah at the park with the kid, and the swing, then you see the other Sarah, the one who is all too aware of the danger and the destruction that is about to happen, and then you get that really cool nuclear war scene. It happens so fast. I am not exactly expecting nuclear war, but my city for me has changed. I mean we are nothing better than the Stasi's were. People lying, spying and betraying each other. Then there is still the other scenes. People living their day to day lives. Some maybe not snitching and spying, some maybe not even aware of these happenings, like I was not just a year ago. That anniversary is up and coming. A year of being aware of this weirdness. I don't see how targets do this. Some for years and years. I guess I understand why some opt out of the game, or change sides, or just lose it. Anyways for today the world is just so beautiful and wonderful.

I decided to take some time and go to the park. I wanted to write and update you, my people out in cyberspace. Offline it's like cat has got every-one's tongue, and online it's just so different. Some people can actually talk about what is happening, offline it's harder. No one knows who they can trust, and they are scared, or happily going along with this, leading their little existences, hoping to stay off the radar of the powers that be. Knowing this time is coming slowly, but surly, like a woman who is about to give birth, the contractions of this end time, will start to come closer and closer together, till the moment is here. I think that is sort of how the bible described some of this stuff. It's all making sense. It never does at the time it's all written down, but prophesy unfolding is a pretty neat thing. One world government, global dominance, and a snitch force to keep everyone in line, mini contractions of this system that is soon fully to be born. People giving up their wills, and worshiping or bowing down to whoever and whatever. Yep humans pretty much do not change.

Back to my day. So I took a walk, it was a wonderful walk. It was a walk that was straight out of a dream. It was just so nice. It was like I had walked it before. It was just so familiar. I felt like I knew what would happen along the path I don't remember dreaming about the day or how it would be, but it was more like a feeling, like I knew what would happen along the path.

I knew that when I walked down a specific street, it would be like I would run into an old friend, and in a way I did. I expected to find this specific store at a certain point and there it was. Remember this is a path that I have never walked before, but I knew it with such certainty. Then after I left the store, I just realised or had a sense that I was going the wrong way, so after I changed directions, I walked the other way. I wound up in front of a police station. Today I was suppose to follow up on trying to get the reports filed, I had called and left a message yesterday, to say that I would be calling back today. So I really did not want to go in face to face, I mean we all know my wonderful journey thus far, and I was just going to walk away, but I had the strongest feeling that I was suppose to go in, you know, like I had already done this. So I bucked up the courage, I did not have any of my notes with me. I mean I didn't have the report printed out, so I could not just leave a copy of that with someone, which is the advice I received last week. Like I said I would have walked away, but it was just so familiar, just like everything else on that path. I have heard people describe this before, I think I have forgotten a lot of this spiritual stuff that I know on the one hand. So anyways I went in. I ran into this really youthful looking officer. He really looked very young. However he seemed really nice. Now I use to think I could tell if people were good or bad, etc, but ofcourse the last year of my life has taught me differently. Remember I was the one with everyone in my life helping directly or indirectly to ruin me. Most of the people I thought I knew or sort of trusted were a part of this, however he just seemed so familiar. The conversation flowed more or less, and to make a long story short he is going to try to update the report from December. The one where office Broker really messed up the report that I filed, and based on the stuff that I have seen, and that has happened to other targets, probably intentional.

So anyways I have no assurances that this officer will do anything different than the others have, I did not do all the things that I know that I am suppose to do when interacting with the police force, since I realise that targets are not able to trust the people they were taught to trust. I have no guarantees, that he will do anything different. My guarantees are his word. Are people's words worth anything anymore? He seemed really nice, but then so do a lot of other people including sociopaths, and pedophiles, that's why they are able to get away with that stuff for such long periods of time. The main thing that I am going on is that it felt like what I was suppose to do. No more importantly it felt like something I had already done, and the physical here and now was just this formality. There were these awesome flowers out on the road today, nothing out of the ordinary, but how many times have I stopped to smell the roses in the last year? It was just so nice to do that today. I really don't know how I manage to spend so much time inside. Yet I do.

I am going to cut this post short. I am in the park and I am out of juice or soon will be. So all I have is my own sense of this was what I was suppose to be doing today, and the word of a really nice looking youthful officer, who seemed sincere, but don't they all. So we will see what we will see. Anyways, I am going to enjoy the rest of the day, and the moment I am back online, or get to a cafe, I will get this cool mellow post out to you.

Peace out.

Corrupt to the core.

Trying to get my police report updated still.

The nice thing about the police here in this city is that if you file a complaint with them, they get to investigate themselves. That's right. If you so happen to be unfortunate enough to cross paths with the police and they mess you over, and you file a report, it goes to an independent body who then forward the complaint to the police who then investigate themselves, and send it back to the independent body who then forward it to you. Isn't that nice? The mob should have such a system in place.

Ok here is a recap for all those who are not familiar with my situation.
Found out that I was being followed around the city last July, after about 6-7 years of constant harassment, found out that this was coordinated and set up in such as way as to see me destroyed.

I would later find out that this is a covert Cointelpro type investigation that is being orchestrated by the those in authority.

Before that I found the term online called gang stalking, which at the time explained these events, but tried to pass the events off on vigilante groups. Turns out gang stalking is more than likely a disinformation term coined to throw people off about what was happening to them, more importantly who it was being done by.

What is happening to me is similar to the movie lives of others where an innocent person is placed under covert investigation, and the state tries to ruin them by degrees. I am not alone in my predicament, this is happening to many others in various other parts of the country, and the world.

This is my saga thus far.

-December 2006.

After many months of researching gang stalking and talking to others who had tried to file police reports about the same thing, I was told that the best way to file the report was in person.
-I was told that to try to do it in writing, and to get a copy of the police report and a reference number after the police report was filed.

-Filed a police report regarding the covert harassment that was being experienced.
-My first attempt to file the report was done in person with an officer. He refused to let me drop off the notes that I had and said that notes had to be taken, and he did not give me a report number. Asked when I would hear back about the report the officer advised that it might not happen.

*Knowing what I know now. I would say the first mistake was going to the police. When this is happening to you, go to a lawyer first, explain what you think is happening and then see what they think you should file in the report. The trick there is trying to find a good lawyer who will touch it. The other thing that lawyers have advised is hire a private investigator, but many targets have spent time and money on this road with no avail. Many of these PI are themselves helping out with these eyes and ears programs and so again conflict of interest. Finding a honest or decent person who is aware of what is going on and who does not have a conflict of interest, or vested interest is hard.

-So after finding out that the report was not filed I attempted to file the report again, and they insisted on doing it over the phone. I would later find out why.

-After I filed the report and no one got back to me. I called and spoke to an officer John Poirpoint at 13th division. The same officer who had five complaints of the same stalking for his area. (The other complainants all being single females, living by themselves.) I asked why the report was not being investigated? He said he would have to call me back on Monday. Never heard back, tried to follow up, couldn't get a hold of him.

Eventually I did get a copy of the police report that I filed. Office Badge #3447 filed a chop job report. Many of the things I explained to hear and the way she wrote them, miswrote them, or just inserted her own info, made the report sound crazy.

Eg. I advised officer Brooker that there was heat coming from the floor below me, and it was causing vibrations. I advised that I had spoken to an electrician, who thought it might be transponders or something like that. I did advise her that my upstairs neighbour seems to know where I am at all times in my apartment, as if I was being tracked.

She wrote in the report that

(I think magnets are being used to track my movements.)
Didn't mention magnets to her. There are several other examples where she decided to insert, not insert, or just insert her own stuff. Very nice the things our officers get up to.
Today.- So since that time realising that they are corrupt, I have just been speaking to community leaders, other targets, lawyers, other activists that are being harassed this way, and of course the police.

I did have some luck about a month back. I spoke to one officer who I advised what was happening and wanted to know if I could get off the list. He advised that he did not think that I could get off the list, but he would let me speak to the investigations unit. He is the most success that I have had so far. Acknowledged that citizens are being used to track people, and that he didn't think that there was a way off the list.

The person he transferred me to was not so helpful. He said he didn't know what I was talking about. So I read him the article that came out in the paper, and that shut him up with the denials, but he quickly got me off the phone with he didn't think there was anything he could do to help. That was the police investigations unit.

-Today I tried to follow up on some information I dropped off last week.
Memory refresher. During my talks and chit chats with the police, some helpful some not, I discovered that they had a report of some kind showing up that referred to an arrest for a fraud from several years ago.

What had happened was I was stopped on the street. I was told that I fit the description of someone who was passing out fake bills in the area. (I would later learn that the person was about 20 years older, looked nothing like me, but had the same color coat. Yeah fit the description.) Anyways officers Redman and Braudrey decided to file a report and apparently the way the report comes up in the system the first thing it shows is an arrest for fraud under. Apparently if you actually read the report or pull it up it does show that I was questioned, released. However that is not the first thing that shows up when they pull my name and date of birth.

That was interesting to learn. Knowing more about how these set up work for targets, I really am wondering more and more about that incident.
Anyways today, the run around.

-Called the records division at head quarters to find out how things were going with getting my records updated. I was told that she had nothing there, but to check back tomorrow. Fair enough. The person who answered the phone, was nice and rather helpful.
-Next call. I was transferred to the central ARU regarding the police report that was filed back in December.

(When I tried to drop the records off at the station, head quarters, and tried to get a confirmation that my records had been dropped off, it was refused. The office an officer K. Mohammed advised that he would give me no confirmation that the files had been dropped off, and that he should not even have provided me with an envelope to drop off the files. I thought yes, finally a company with even worst customer service than bell Internet. I was amazed. He also said there was no guarantee that my letters would get to their destinations. I just smiled and said that that in an office with so many police officers I would be surprised if it did not, and he said then I should not even have bothered asking for a reference. (To serve and protect. Yeah.)

-Oh a good note, there was a female officer who was nice and said I could reference her, that I did drop two pieces of correspondences off.

Anyhoo.

Central ARU.

-Spoke to an officer, who was helpful, (maybe)? He said that he did not have the files and that there was no update. (Oh side note. When I spoke to the records room, she seemed to know who I was, cause she asked if it was the records that had been dropped off at the front desk.)
Anyways he said that the records had not been updated, and that I should go back to the original department to get the records updated.

-I spoke to 13th division. What an unpleasant and unhelpful officer she was. The call was almost like, who is on first, no what's on second. It was so irritating. She hung up. But she left me with the impression that I could file the report over the phone, or drop off the records there, or do whatever the heck I felt like doing.

-Then called my own division, cause remember I had to move and leave my apartment that I loved due to the harassment and the electronic harassment which was killing skin cells. While the police sat back, knew what was going on and did nothing.

Anyways I called a police officer form a different division, and I was about to hang up cause it
was the wrong division, but he seemed determined to help so I spoke to him. (Helpful officers are so rare and hard to find, that I am not about to pass one up.)

He pulled up my file and asked if I was calling about my report from February regarding threatening mail. Now remember that my last contact with them was around December except for the noise harassment incident which was filed shortly after that. To my knowledge, unless this report was that, which I don't think so. There is some report that was filed in February, not by me, about threatening mail. Apparently this report was investigated.

My reports are not being investigated, but this report, which I don't think I filed was. Now I am worried. Knowing how these people are, and that they are helping, some of them, to instigate some of this stuff that is going down, it's pretty scary.

At this stage, I should probably stop and just leave the reports alone, but I can't do. However there is probably a right way and a wrong way of doing this. Based on advise my records should only be filed or updated with them in writing. No updates over the phone and when possible, try to have a lawyer look it over. However since the system is corrupt and too many of these lawyers are themselves parts of the citizen snitch programs, this is harder and harder to do.

So he said I better speak to the Central ARU, based on that it's like, oh boy. (You know it's not good.) So the call was transferred back to the main reception area, you know where they take the calls when they want to put you off. The officer there again advised that the central ARU was the place to have the files updated, but that she could not transfer me there, that they would have to take my information down and have an officer call me. If you recall that is how I wound up with officer Broker in the first place, so do not pass go, and do not collect 100 dollars, or whatever the amount is that these people have playing on this monopoly that has become part of my life.

Now I am way happier if I don't have to deal with them if I can. Simply because they actually track who is calling into their stations and how often the calls are coming in. Eg. If you are a senior and you call them so many times in a month each month, then they keep track of that, and if you call them too much they can recommend that someone come out and see you. (Stuff you find out online.)

So they make it impossible to resolve your situation without calling them several times, but then when you do, you get the run around. They have a nice system going. Do you think if the Mafia did this, they would be out of business? They would be in full swing right now. Maybe that's what the Mafia should do or did, get a bunch of their guys and gals to join the force, start running the show. Wouldn't be any worst. (Maybe that's what Tony Saprano will do?)

So that was the day. That ate up 2 hrs. (Including typing up this report.) Somebody has to do it. The only way that I was able to come this far, was by some of the records that Mark M. Rich (http://www.rich-essence.com/) left behind, before he stopped updating his site. I have never met Rich, don't know what happened to him, and I hope somehow he got out, but at least his
records are there.

Targets the people are the ones doing this. It's like having the Mafia put a hit out on you, and trying to get them to take the hit off, and getting the run around. They have no desire to correct this information. To see that this information gets updated, or anything else. In fact it's in their best interest, budget wise, and corrupt system wise, to see that targets stay under covert investigation.

There is no time limit for how long they can mess with your life, or what they can do behind your back. It is no secret, that these people will go behind your back, and spread slander about you. They will do it to your friends, family, business clients and anyone that you know. They will try to make sure that you are jobless, homeless, not able to take care of yourself, and you have to be a fighter and do everything that you can do, to get your life back.

I think Rich described it best, when he said that this is an evil that comes out, and has been here before, like with the Salem Witch Trials and other things in history. Most of us still have no clue why we are being investigated or followed around, and all we know is that the authorities of our countries are doing this. Amnesty and all those great human rights organisations and
establishments that you hear about will not touch this, and most lawyers will not touch with with good reason. You could end up without a country and improperly disbarred, like the lawyer in American who now lives in Israel, cause she tried to go up against the CIA for shipping in drugs to black communities.

The world is a very corrupt place. Understanding of this, does not come with just the mind. To understand this level of corruption, it's something that you have to feel and experience, but those of us who have, can tell you what it's all about.

So my struggle continues. I have a force who it would seem that getting these police reports updated and corrected, is not seemingly in their best interest. One of my reports that I dropped off last week seems to have mysteriously dropped off of the face of the earth, and now I hear news of an investigation that was done in February, for a report that I am pretty sure that I didn't file. I have to see the Freedom of information records first, but that would mean another trip to my favorites in blue. Maybe just have the lawyers office fax it over, or just maybe they
can just find the report, and update it.