Takeovers

Takeovers

When I first came online I was looking for information on harassment. I then found the term bullying, mobbing, etc. Then I found a link to Gang Stalking sites. Like most other targets, I cautiously joined a forum, hoping to find help, a way to get my targeting stopped.

At first I was really cocky about the whole thing. They were saying it was vigilantes, and I just thought vigilantes, I'll show them. There have to be police officers that will take care of this. I thought I would have the whole thing solved in a few months. Not so easy.

In time I found out that many of the forums were phony, you can learn a lot by attending them and sitting and just watching. Target after target came, and when they presented good ideas, useful ideas, things that would move things forward, those ideas were shot down. I watched target after target, after target, get discouraged, call the moderator a perp, some even gave examples by posting past threads, but no matter who came up against the mod, they were shot down by the others, ganged up on, and sent packing.

In time I realized that some took on multiple names and personalities within the group. The group was controlled, you always felt like something was happening, like things were progressing with each new piece of information, you felt it would go somewhere, but things always went back in a circle, you were never allowed to discuss the government aspect of the targeting for too long. The group was basically a control forum, for the "crazies" online. Like group therapy, but controlled. Almost like having a handler run things, but maybe not quite. I am not fully sure, cause I don't exactly know how the handlers work, but have a fairly good idea.

I left the groups and branched out started doing my own little thing, and targets did come, some provided really useful and helpful information back in the early days. I lucked out a lot of times, and in the real world I can be pretty observant at times. I did go back into town, and I had caught onto some of the hand signals that they were using to communicate, so it gave me an edge.

I still stayed with the groups to observe, but stopped participating. What I did learn is that though they work together, I don't think that they always know who they are at first. Eg. I don't think it's like the informants are told, XYZ is an informant, go work with them. I think that they are given their own assignments, and then once they do meet up with others, they soon figure out who is who, who is working for what cause, and then they ban together. Soon you had interconnected networks of informants, doing different things, but like an octopus, they all were pushing forward an agenda. So even if this one started this site here, or that group there, this organization here, it was the same thing.

Still I did my own thing. Then what use to happen is I would go looking for targets online, I would find them on forums, and other locations. I use to touch base with the more active targets, to really try to encourage their activism, but soon realized that this was a mistake. See in finding the others, the informants also figured out who the more active targets were. Behind the scenes they soon went about snuffing out their lights, and turning them into informants as well.

I always assumed that if I knew the identity of the informants, I would share it, but that has not always been the case. On the support groups, I realized how futile it was to try to expose perps, even if you knew they were perps, they just then went on to attack the other person, and then would gang up in groups.

The potentials that I did get in touch with, two I remember very well. One guy was pretty cool, he was going out there with his camera, really into activism, but like a lot of targets he was not wealthy, and was staying in sheltered housing. Anyways he posted a video I think like the Friday to say that they were hassling him, when he would try to earn a few bucks here and there, they told him to move it along. The next time he posted a video he had been arrested for loitering, and was to present himself at the station. Then I noticed something else as well, in his subsequent videos he was using the one handed sign language. He had never done that before, and I have no doubt that prior to this he was a legit activist.

So much like the movie the lives of others, he was in my opinion turned in a short space of time. Later on things he said indicated as much, and their was a mention that it was like being violated by the state, or pimped out. Either way, I noticed that he would later do little things, like try to get people to go out to specific protests, or sign specific protest forms online. From what I could tell, I suspect that he was being put up to it, and getting the unsuspecting to entrap themselves from then on. The other thing I noticed is that this other person, that I dubbed a handler was always around him after this, no matter what he wrote or posted, this person was always there, in my opinion to watch over, and keep an eye.

I didn't say anything, because to out him would have been cruel, and remember he was quite legit before, but I think the arrest, plus whatever conditions he likely agreed to, were a huge contributing factor. The other thing is that I always try to impress on targets that I am not trying to make them paranoid, but it's important that they have some idea what they are up against, and how the system can work and does function.

The other example of this is a girl who was in a similar situation, one moment her videos were normal, the next she was flashing the informant hand signals, something she had not done in any of her prior videos, she also lost the roof over her head, and was placed in a vulnerable situation.

These examples and so many others served to remind me that even if you start with legitimate activists it's very easy for them to get turned. It does not make them bad people. I felt sorry for both, and still do, and was not in any position to assist or aid, but to become aware of the changes that had happened. It's like watching in silence as someone is destroyed.

Anyways later on I would learn that turning activists had been a common Stasi practice. By the fall of the Stasi at many activist were working as double agents.

http://www.lls.edu/academics/faculty/pubs/Natapoff_Snitching.pdf

http://www.amazon.com/dp/1441448845/
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Agents spread rumors, made accusations, inflamed disagreements, and caused splits. They urged divisive proposals, sabotaged activities, overspent scarce resources, stole funds, seduced leaders, exacerbated rivalries, caused jealousy and public embarrassment to groups. They often led activists into unnecessary danger and set them up for prosecution.

One common maneuver, known as placing a snitch jacket or bad jacket on an activist, damaged the victim's effectiveness and generated confusion, distrust, and paranoia. The maneuver was used to divert time and energy and turn coworkers against one another, even provoking violence. 44

The only thing that's changed since the days of Cointelpro is that these systems have become more fine tuned. The society at large has become less aware or completely oblivious to this structure. In East Germany this method of dissident infiltration was also used.

In the Stasi's War on Dissent, dissenters were the most valuable informants, and the Stasi recruited heavily within the very world it was trying to destroy, employing the
very people it was trying to eliminate. As a result, East German dissident-informants often paradoxically helped the [anti-government] movement , partly simply by swelling its ranks, but also by actively working on opposition activities.16

Governments do go after dissidents or those they are trying to eliminate. This way if they can't eliminate the target, they will try to turn the target into an informant. You could actively have members of a movement who are working for both sides. They are moving the movement forward with one hand, and putting it two steps back with the second hand. This can be very frustrating for legitimate movements. Some of their members might start off being genuine activists, but at some point they became broke, bullied, bribed, blackmailed, busted, institutionalized, etc.and they decided
to become informants for the state.

In researching Gang Stalking I have come across several individuals that were legitimate targets in my opinion and who were turned into informants. It's easy to judge these individuals if you don't understand how insidious this informant system is. Many activist groups today have had to become cognizant of these set up and infiltrations.

Some types of infiltrators stay in the background and offer material support, other informants may have nothing to do with the group or action, but initially heard certain plans and tipped off the police. Among the more active types of infiltrators can be a gregarious person that quickly wins group trust. Some infiltrators will attempt to gain key forms of control, such as of communications/ secretarial, or finances. Other informants can use charm and sex to get intimate with activists, to better spy or potentially destabilize group dynamics.

Active infiltrators can also be provocateurs specializing in disruptive tactics such as sowing disorder and demoralizing meetings or demos, heightening conflicts whether they are interpersonal or about action or theory, or pushing things further with bravado and violent proposals. Infiltrators often need to build credibility; they may do this by claiming to have participated in past actions.

Also, infiltrators will try to exploit activist sensibilities regarding oppression and diversity. Intelligence organizations will send in someone who will pose as a person experiencing the common oppression of the particular activist group. For example, in the 1960's, the Weather Underground (Weathermen - a white anti-imperialist armed struggle in the US) was infiltrated by an ordinary Joe informant with a working class image. Black war veterans were used to infiltrate the Black Panther Party. 45

If you visit many of the popular online forums, or become a part of some of these offline movements you might even see some of these infiltrations in action, but if these informants are doing their job well, you will most likely not be aware. The informants will profile individuals so that they know which triggers to use, and what their vulnerabilities are. The only thing targets can do is know themselves better than these informants, so that they can not play off of your vulnerabilities.

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The problem with starting a forum or a group is that inevitably, even if you start off with a legitimate group, members can be converted, then you have others who hijack legitimate discussion, or who insert disinformation so that the truth does not ever get discovered.

This set up of interconnected groups, many lead by informants was not a new phenomenon, it was not happening in the Gang Stalking community alone, it was happening in several other communities, with forums, agents, misinformation, etc.

Takeovers under conditions such as that are easy, not only do they usually run these groups, but then the message that usually get's out is the message that they want you to hear. If a legit person comes along and is not aware or alert, it's possible to disrupt or eliminate the target.


http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,915760,00.html

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> The infiltration of an informant into the top post of the United Klans of America, then largest of several major Ku Klux Klan organizations, was seriously considered in 1967. The plan was to organize a revolt against Imperial Wizard Robert Shelton at a Klonvocation and replace him with an FBI informant. The bureau finally decided it already had sufficiently penetrated the Klan.

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For example, TIME has learned that the FBI used a convicted holdup man as an informant to penetrate the Ku Klux Klan and investigate the 1963 murder of Black Civil Rights Leader Medgar Evers. The informant kidnaped a suspected Klan leader, bound him hand and foot, and then interrogated him at pistol point at a lonely farm to extract an account of the crime. But largely because such evidence was obtained under duress, and therefore is inadmissible in court, the Government was never able to get a conviction in the Evers case.

Another still suppressed section of the files reveals that in the early 1970s the leadership of the Black Panthers wa so riddled with FBI informants that the bureau virtually ran the organization Some of the informants viewed their association with the FBI as a license to plunder Black Panther funds and stash away small fortunes before the treasury was drained.

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Even if you get the odd group or forum that is not run by an informant, the members usually try to take over the forum, become admins/mods, etc.

Thus activists who wish to avoid this, should familiarize themselves, and make themselves cognizant of this fact.

Rejected

Why I reject this system that is currently in place?

I reject this system that is currently in place, and I want no part of it, and have no desire to be a part of it.

As a Gang Stalking target I have seen what this system is capable of, and it's not pretty. To say that it is not pretty is an understatement. As a target I have had the pleasure of hearing the stories of people targeted by this system. I have seen lives destroyed. I have heard of and reviewed many cases of innocent people who have been jailed, put in mental health facilities, people have written in about relatives who have committed suicides, and deliberate deaths, due to this systemic type of targeting. Plus all the other stories that have turned up.

At this stage it's I who objects to, and rejects this system, and not the other way around. This system seems to want me to be a part of it, and I simply want nothing to do with it. I have examined all angles and I deeply feel this system will do more harm than good for too many that are like me, and thus it is not in my best interest to be supportive of such a system.

Most of the people that I see on our in public who are a part of this systemic program, seem to think that this system is just some system to tell them who is bad, vs who is good, who needs watching and monitoring. I agree it does perform that functionality, in part, but on the other hand it's used as a system to falsely target perceived enemies of the state. When there is a threat such as a bombing in another city, a mass shooting, you can see the individuals that are a part of this system go into action, it makes them feel safe, in the loop. On the surface it does fulfill this purpose, but underneath it functions as a gang, a cult, handmaidens of the NWO if you will. I understand most people do not view the system this way, and will not readily share this opinion, but that is the most practical comparison, that I can give for how the system tries to bring in individuals who want no part of it.

This system functions like a gang because they use intimidation, and bullying tactics. They function like a cult in the sense that the community is controlled just like a cult is. Most people just like every other cult, have no clue that they are in a cult, being a target of this system, has afforded me a perspective that is most likely in opposition to how many view this system, but that it's a point of view and perspective that I am grateful for.

This system targets individuals for various surface reasons, but the underlying reasons of why someone really gets targeted are quite different. I have no plans to wake up, or be threatened into embracing this system. In a free society, that should be a choice of each citizen, but what this system tries to do is use intimidation, bullying, systemic destruction, to try to break individuals down, and to try to then rebuild them back as part of this system. This has not been successful in my case thus far. This system has not been able to break me down, and instead of making me want to cave and become a part of this system, what I have seen, puts me in deep opposition to the way this system functions. I deeply have no desire to be a part of this system.


Don't get me wrong, there are people who are legitimately trying to do some good, or trying to do the right thing. I do understand that there are good people who are part of this system. I appreciate you, respect you, and have an affinity for you. I also see naive people who are part of this system, that just don't and will not see the bad that this system does, I respect you also, because I was also naive myself once. Then there are those that understand the brutality of this system, that this system is working towards a specific goal. A more malevolent outcome, those who take advantage of this system, use it to try to undermine, degrade others, or get even with enemies. I have no respect for these people, or this sort. I believe that the majority of people, just like in Germany, have to believe in the purity of what is being done. I am not like that, I have had the pleasure of being on the opposite side of the fence, and see all too well, the injustice that can happen under such a system.

What I am saying is that though I would like to get my records cleared of wrong or false information that might be out there, I am not interested in becoming part of this system. I will look out for my neighbours, be a good citizen, help out when I can, but I never want to be a part of this system, I am not looking for an in, if anything I am looking to stay out. It's an offer that I feel that I must refuse, consider the invitation declined. I believe the way this system functions is in direct opposition to creating a truly good society. This system functions not that dissimilar to witch trials of the past, inquisitions, Stasi listings, Cointelpro, etc. Targets are flagged, systemically destroyed, set up, and often ruined systemically, and unjustly.

I am trying to be as politic as I can be, in saying that this system is not for me. I understand that many of these people think that they are doing something good, like any cult they believe in what they are doing. They love bomb you when you do what they want, and act psychotic when they don't have control. I am not a fan of control systems. I am also not much of a joiner. I have seen all the tactics over the last several years, and feel more strongly today, than I have in any other point and time, and at this stage, I have a clearer understanding of how this program works. The problem is that people are told that they are targeting undesirables, but this program is targeting enemies of the state. Innocent people are being targeted and destroyed, that has been the bulk of what the research has shown over the last several years.

I have witnessed, bullying, love bombing, thugs in sheep's clothing, and I am not impressed by what I have seen, not at all. There is no allegiance that I desire, no membership that I seek, nothing that I wish to do with a system that is capable of destroying the innocent, under the guise of rehabilitating them, or keeping society safe. In that capacity this system has nothing that I want.

Over the last several years I have been blessed, to see some of the worst of what people are capable of. How they are capable and able of systemically destroying others. I have watched the sheer inhumanity of this system, the silent deaths that will never be acknowledged or brought to justice. Those locked away falsely, or imprisoned falsely due to this. This system and how it works, functions, destroys is against everything that is good. I think the former East Germany and Russia worked in similar fashion. People on the other side think they are doing good, cleaning up society, but that is not the case. What is happening now is a systemic cleansing. Most won't see it for what it is, or if they do, they won't do anything about it.

I say this with as much light and love as I can, I truly believe that this system is not right in the way that it currently functions. I think it's toxic in it's current functionality, but I am not sure how such a system could be fixed or changed. The grease that oils the wheels currently, are the underlying injustices, and vigilante cult like mentality is what keeps it functioning, and in place. I am also not sure what the answer is. I think people have to want change for change to happen. I believe that for most this system with it's flaws works for far too many people, and I think that is what keeps it in place.

For my little part, I do what I can when I can. I have exposed the bits and pieces that I can, it's up to others to do the rest. I have brought exposure, awareness, but everyone then has to examine their individual actions and roles in contributing to this system and how it works.

Gang Stalking research topics

Gang Stalking research topics.


Mobbing


-Subtle and Covert. Mobbing has many aspects similar to Gang Stalking. The emotional and psychological abuse that the Targeted Individual suffers is very similar to what targets of workplace mobbing suffer.


Cellphone Stalking

-This is an overt form of harassment that involves 24/7 surveillance . The targets cell or cameraphones are used to track and monitor them 24/7.



Human Flesh Search Engine


This is often overt and swift. In Korea it's called Cyber Violence, and in America it's called Cyber Vigilantism.

Chinese vigilantes that hunt victims on the web
A new phenomenon is sweeping China. Digital witch hunts of those who dare to be outspoken or criticise.



The speed to which the vigilantes can mount an attack is amazing, not just in China, but in Korea and America as well.



Cyber violence, or online Mobbing

Kim Myong Jae’s estranged girlfriend was found dead, he was falsly blamed for her suicide, two weeks later he was a wanted man online and offline.

*First, death threats and vicious text messages flooded his cellphone.

*spreading fast through blogs and Web portals were false rumors that Kim had jilted his girlfriend, forced her to abort his baby, assaulted her and her mother, and that drove her to suicide.

*My name, address, photographs, telephone numbers were all over the Internet,” Kim said.

*“Tens of thousands of people were busy sharing my identity and discussing how to punish me.




Cyber Vigilantism

*11:30am A SUV driver allegedly accelerated from a dead stop to hit a bicycle blocking his way. A blogger posted his license plate.

*At 1:16 p.m., someone posted the registration information for the license plate, including the SUV owner's name and address.

*At 1:31 p.m. another person added the owner's occupation, his business's name and his title.

*1:41 a user posted a link to an aerial photo of the owner's house.

* 2:41 the posting also included the accused's picture and email address.



Gaslighting

Gaslighting is a form of intimidation or psychological abuse in which false information is presented to the victim, making them doubt their own memory and perception.


Cointelpro

COINTELPRO (Counter Intelligence Program) was a series of covert, illegal, projects conducted by the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) aimed at investigating and disrupting dissident political organizations within the United States. This project included sabatage, rumours, break in's, and political assassinations.


Stasi

The Ministry for State Security, was the official secret police of East Germany. It was widely regarded as one of the most effective and repressive intelligence and secret police agencies in the world. They turned many of the citizens of that country into informants who were then used to spy on and control their fellow citizens.


Violent Person Registry

*Jane Clift tried to inform on a drunken man who yelled obscenities at her, but instead she got herself placed on a violent persons registry.

*She put on a council blacklist with thugs and sex attackers

*Her details were circulated to an extraordinary range of public and private bodies, including doctors, dentists, opticians, libraries, contraceptive clinics, schools and nurseries. Their staff were advised not to see her alone.

*She was forced to withdraw an application to become a foster parent and, eventually, to leave the town where she had lived for ten years.

*She said that after the council acted, she sensed that everywhere she went, there was ‘whispering, collaboration, people scurrying about’.

*Everywhere I went – hospitals, GPs, libraries – anywhere at all, even if I phoned the fire service, as soon as my name went on to that system, it flagged up ‘violent person marker, only to be seen in twos, medium risk’.’

TRUE PATRIOTS

http://www.youtube.com/user/gangstalking

wesmont87

wesmont87 (12 hours ago)
[quote]You need to stop posting these hurtful videos and comments RIGHT NOW. It's scumbags like you that make it difficult for citizen patrol groups to track targeted criminal subjects, monitor and inspect their homes, etc. Where do you get off insulting these brave men and women who are TRUE PATRIOTS?? I have children, and I want their neighborhood to be safe for kids and decent folk from antisocial creeps like YOU!! I hope the police find you for posting this crap and let you rot in jail. [/quote]


Found the above comment on this youtube profile. Now keep in mind this might just have been some douchbag snitch trying to keep tabs and make their weekend monitoring go better. The profile page has no activity, videos watched ect.

Shy of laughing and wondering if wesmont87 has serious issues, let's break this down.


What hurtful videos? The ones that are there to help targets?




Next accusation making it difficult law abiding citizens to do their jobs. What jobs? (for citizen patrol groups to track targeted criminal subjects, monitor and inspect their homes, etc. )
Oh that job,the one that we like to call driving to suicide, false institutionalization, false imprisonment, and mass shooting, with some gaslighting and mobbing on the side. Oh that job. My bad.

Maybe I am just overly logical, but it is not the job of informants, deputized citizens, snitches what have you to enter homes, monitor or inspect them. Maybe your rule books say otherwise, but from my delusional world view of democracy and democratic countries, that's simply not right or legal.

The activities you mention fall into Cointelpro and Stasi type activities and should be exposed to the fullest extent of the law, maybe go back to your slave handler and check your rule books.

Also since you are monitoring and tracking these people how do you know they are criminals and that it's not just false information? What evidence do you have? Cause if they are such criminals, why does it take years to monitor individuals and not just months?

The next accusation.

{Where do you get off insulting these brave men and women who are TRUE PATRIOTS}

Actually there is no getting off on this stuff, what a lack of imagination you have. It is however in the best interest of myself and other target to call evil for what it is. What is happening now is beyond vigilantism, it's murder in many cases, forced suicide in others, it's unjust victimization, and if you think calling the evil for what it is as insulting true patriots you have another thing coming. True Patriots, true citizens would be right here with me trying to expose this very evil that is trying to destroy the democracy that their ancestors worked so hard for. True Patriots would be the first in line to say that we will not stand for such unjust actions, that would be the voice of true patriots and they would be right here with me, not on the side of evil, which is the side that you are on, wither you choose to see it or not.

Next thing to ponder this person has kids. God help our kind if these kids grow up with the same mentality, if by taking away the freedom of others and destroying innocent lives, if this is how you choose to secure a future for your children, you are going about it the wrong way. The only future you will ensure for them is enslavement, such as the former East Germany. A future where free thought and speech are not allowed. If this is how you envision a safer world for your kids, you have a lot more imagining to do, or you have ever low goals.

{I have children, and I want their neighbourhood to be safe for kids and decent folk from antisocial creeps like YOU!!}


Also you know what, Gang Stalking targets have kids, many who have had to watch their kids be tortured and burnt, screaming out in pain. Ramona Lopez says her grandchild has been chipped, others have kids where they have almost killed their kids, by doing such fun things as putting water in diabetic medication. Many others would like to have kids, and families, but as long as psychopathic people like you exist they will not be able to.


Next bit from this person.

{I hope the police find you for posting this crap and let you rot in jail.}


At the rate these countries are going, this might happen in time, but while there is still freedom, there are still officers that do not agree with this garbage, I know this for a fact, they want this out as well.

So to get this straight, the country and future this person wants is a non democratic future, where dissenting idea, or unjust practices are allowed, and innocent people get jailed for pointing it out. Luckily there are still many in the world that do not think this way, and who understand that by destroying the freedom of one, you will eventually destroy the freedom of others.

Unfortunately from my research this sort almost proves to be incapable of understanding such simple truths, such simple facts. This was the case in Nazi Germany, destroy those people over there to ensure that our Fatherland is secure, and they too went about it with impunity, much to the detriment of those targeted.

Come to Stasi Germany same thing, they believed the lies of the state, they did what this person claims to be doing now, destroyed innocent lives, followed the innocent around, made sure they were disinfranchized and swore they were doing the just thing.

Come Cointelpro, same thing, those evil radicals, John Lennon, panthers, the same things, same justifications, more lives destroyed, everyone at the time thinking that their actions were just. However history has pointed the finger, tried all three time periods and labelled each as evil. We are taught to never let such things happen again, yet here we are doing a repete, and if this comment is real, hearing the same lame justifications as before, while innocent men, women and children have their lives decimated.

You and yours are the reason me and my kind can not stop, you are the reason we must continue to fight to see this new wall broken down, this new Cointelpro (the same one, different day.) exposed, and yes this unjust evil must never be allowed to happen again. TRUE PATRIOTS you will head the call, you will hear me and you will work with me, so that this evil future that is envisioned by some, where the innocent are destroyed in this way, does not happen. You will do everything that you can to see this evil time like the rest lands where it belongs, and you will help me in trying to right these wrongs. This is the side that true patriots would be on.



http://www.indigoribbon.com/Quilt/

Paranoid Propaganda

http://gangstalking.wordpress.com/2008/12/20/paranoid/

Please read the above post.


I made this into a full post, because I very firmly feel that whenever accusations of this kind come up, they must be addressed and set where they belong. A poster from the forum, found my blog posting, and left a comment. Now maybe the poster left it for good, as useful feedback, or maybe it's just another informant, who is trying to make Gang Stalking sites look like they encourage delusions. As I have said before in dealing with now hundreads if not thousands of people who have come through the site, the long term feedback has been that they feel validated, most knew that something was happening, but did not know what. Some considered crazy as an option, but crazy did not match what they were seeing and most are people who kept looking for other answers to what was happening to them.

I don't know what the situation was like in Russia when the state started saying that disidents were crazy. I imagine that many tried to prove that they were not, and tried to also expose what was happening. I do know that in Russia part of what got the abuses exposed were target telling their stories, till there were enough that people started listening. I believe that targets must do similar if they are going to be heard and expose what our governments are now doing.




http://gangstalking.wordpress.com/2009/11/10/too-much-truth/


[quote]I am a member of that forum. The member being gangstalked that you mentioned has said that she is a diagnosed schizophrenic who doesn’t want to take her medication. I assume that you haven’t read any threads posted by her other than the gangstalking one. She said she is being gangstalked by evil or negative energies because she knows who the antichrist is. You were banned because you unknowningly reinforced her delusions.[/quote]





This is the reason the account was banned.

Gangstalking, stop spamming with your links. You seem to be here on a propaganda mission. We don't allow those kinds of accounts.

Spamming, I was not, at least not intentionally and the links could have been removed. I was posting researched information, not a propaganda mission.

Just because she has been diagnosed as crazy, does not mean that she is. Gloria Naylor a famous target was diagnosed as crazy and is not.

Without knowing more about her case, it's impossible to know if she really is crazy, or a target or both. The targeting can make you crazy. Just look at what happened in Russia. Targets of the state were consistently diagnosed as crazy.

In America today, the psychiatric reprisal is being used on more and more people who are not crazy.

http://www.harassment101.com/Article5.html
http://www.psychologistethics.net/
http://scientific-misconduct.blogspot.com/search/label/lisa

Good sources of info about people who the state tried to put away as being crazy. It does happen.

Most people choose to believe that someone who talks about being followed around are crazy first and then they ask questions. I do the opposite, I choose to believe that people are sane first and then I ask the questions.

If posting articles about, Cointelpro, The Stasi, and our current surveillance society is going to encourage people to go crazy, or encourage paranoid delusions, then it's unfortunate, because it's reality. We live in a surveillance society. Innocent people are being stalked and monitored.

As evidence was presented, questions were asked. She said she knew who the anti-christ was and that she could speak to the dead. Lot's of people think that, without necessarily being crazy. I did ask her why she felt that way in both cases.

The only thing that I did further was share with her information that myself and others have discovered about the multi generational aspect of Gang Stalking, which is also a fact.

I deeply feel sorry, and concerned about people who think that having good solid information will make people fall further into delusions. God forbid she go to sites about surveillance operations, or read books on such, or watch a tv show on such. God forbid, because I guess that those would be guilty of feeding her delusions as well.

This came up last year interestingly enough. God forbid people read the bible and it fuel their delusions of an omnipotent being that controls the world who they can't see, but who they believe others have talked to. God further forbid such people to to Churches, Mosques, Synagogue and find others who further their delusions.

Providing a person with credible information about a problem that is happening to others is just that, it's information that is available in books, on tv, youtube, and in other places. This information about Cointelpro, Mobbing, The Stasi, and other forms of harassment were available for years, as long as crazy people have thought that they were being stalked, which in cases like John Lennon turned out not to be paranoia.

The girl might be a real target, that possibility exists. She might also be crazy, that possibility exists. She might also be an agent who specifically is trying to link crazy and Gang Stalking. We had so much of that on youtube, and on forums. There are agents of the state on most forums. This is a fact. Let me know if you need articles.

You could be here trying to be helpful, but you could also be here trying to link Gang Stalking with enhancing and encouraging the delusions of others. Eg. It's not the first time this has happened, but as pointed out, these websites do not encourage delusions, anymore than watching tv shows, reading books, or visiting other sites on topic such as Cointelpro, or Stasi website.

If you are here with good intension's then I thank you, but based on the original posting, and a discussion I had with the webmaster of the forum, that is not why I was banned. If your intentions are to try to link Gang Stalking sites with encouraging the delusions of the crazy, then we have been there done that, and you failed then a well.

Read the links that I posted. People are being set up to be declared as crazy, by our democratic countries. This is sick and wrong like it was in Russia. Because someone is declared crazy does not mean that they are. The girl was being teased and bullied. Crazy or sane that was not right and I stepped in because that is the human thing to do, and I will never regret doing the right and just human thing, in trying to stop her from being picked on. I told her that my first instinct is to believe her and you don't know how needful that is, but then of course as I get to know her, I would look at the facts in her case and give feedback accordingly.

Even with real targets if I feel that they can not handle their targeting, I will always recommend they seek a support circle. Now I ask you what is being being believed and listened to, or being picked on and put down. She told her story, As I told the girl, I don't know her and can not judge her crazy. I would rather take her word till more of her case is presented. Wither that is that she turns out to be yet another informant, crazy, target, or something else.

I hope that helps.

Iwatch. Nationwide citizen watch program

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,561661,00.html

New iWatch Program Urges Citizens to Be 'Eyes and Ears' Against Terror Plots, iWatch is a nationwide community watch program

[quote]
A new program aimed at keeping Americans safe from terror attacks will rely on individual citizens to serve as "the eyes and ears" of their communities.

iWatch is a community watch program endorsed by police chiefs across the U.S. that teaches people how to detect suspicious behavior and report it to police.[/quote]

Other sutable names. Istasi, Istalk, Iharass, Iturninmyneighbour and many more.

[quote]

L.A. Police Chief William Bratton, who developed the program with Police Commander Joan McNamara, called it the 21st century version of Neighborhood Watch, a program that encourages local residents to stay alert and informed about their neighborhoods.

"A single observation, a single report can lead to actions that can stop a terrorist attack," warns a Public Safety Announcement video released by the LAPD.[/quote]

A single report can do so much damage, just like in Russia or the Stasi Era.



[quote]When the chiefs of the 63 largest police departments in the U.S. and Canada met to endorse iWatch at a conference last Saturday, they cited the case of Najibullah Zazi — the Denver man suspected of having ties to Al Qaeda who has been accused of plotting to use a weapon of mass destruction within the U.S.[/quote]

Wow Big Brother Canada was also there what a surprise.


Anyways as I have said a billion times these types of programs will come to the public light, this one is a program that is nationwide, and Canada somehow seems to be taking apart. All we need now is one that is planet wide, coming soon to a one world government near you.

These programs will come to light, Gang Stalking will be proven, but will anyone care? See it won't be proving it, I don't think that will be the big hurdle, much of that has already been done and overcome. Getting the ameba to show any remorse will be the real challenge and I don't really know that that will happen.




http://www.lapdonline.org/iwatchla


[quote]iWATCH, iREPORT, i KEEP US SAFE (iWATCH) is a community awareness program created to educate the public about behaviors and activities that may have a connection to terrorism.

This program is a community program to help your neighborhood stay safe from terrorist activities. It is a partnership between your community and the Los Angeles Police Department. We can and must work together to prevent terrorist attacks.

To learn about the iWATCH program and about the behaviors and activities that you should report, view the videos and review the list of examples. You can also read and download a brochure that explains the program.

Remember that the iWATCH program is about behaviors and activities, not individuals. [/quote]

Ipuke, Igag, I am sorry, but this sucks. If they are being so open about it then the snitch force is complete enough for them to be this open and this proud about.

Well I just thought it might be interesting to read.

Standard Operating Procedure

Standard Operating Procedure

I had an experience today with the informants. It's another what I like to call set up.

I had an informant enter the transit system, now this informant was singing to themselves which was fine, had little headphones on, etc, however after this informant also started talking outloud to themselves and I was not sure if the informant was actually crazy or just a bit or, or just pretending crazy.

Anyways I got on a bus and sat right in front of this informant. About halfway on the journey I realised that things were not right, the informants were not following their standard operating procedure.

Eg. They use to have someone from work always at the station and then have that person follow me to the location. After this, they started having what I call familiar strangers following me, except when I happen to lose them.

The familiar strangers started getting on when the snitches from work use to, and so the information was passed in that way.

There are a few that are consistantly present the same way the individuals from work were, I will see at least one if not multiple of these informants without fail, on a daily basis, unless I am doing something else. Even if for some odd reason I manage to board the bus without one present, along the way one of the others will get on the bus to take up the slack.

Now I usually have a couple of specific stops that I get off at and I always have a couple or more informants getting off at the same stop as well.

Anyways about halfway there, I noticed the usual standard operating procedure was not being followed, and they were not performing their idiotic mobbing formation, very unusual for them. So it peeked my curiosity, suddenly it occurred to me that it was going to be another set up.
Eg. I suddenly had the impression that Informant or person pretending to be crazy informant was going to get off at the same stop that I was going to, so I waiting to see if this was going to be the case.

This informant got off the stop before me, because sometimes I will do that, well realising that I was not getting off at that stop, the informant moved to get back on the bus, well the driver did not want to let the informant back on the bus, but the informant who up until that point had been doing a great job of pretending to be crazy, broke protocol, made clear eye contact with the driver and then communicated in quite clear Stasi signals, and so he let the informant back on the bus, and the informant did indeed get off at the next stop with me.

Now if any of these informants report this person, and that they were talking on the bus to themselves, well I am being tracked and so the assumption is that it was me. I use to have stuff like this happen a lot but never truly noted it, because I did not realise how deep the game goes.

Anyways sure enough not long after getting to my destination, it seems this had been the intended goal. If I had not been aware or alert that a set up was indeed what they were doing, then a set up like this would easily have succeeded. People in my environment would have it on good authority that it was me, and that would be the end of that, and I would never have been the wiser. As it was, I was able to circumvent this to a degree.

It seems the more I openly discuss the fact that I live in a Stasi society, these little set up's happen more and more, so I guess I just have to get use to it, as will the Stasi have to get use to me and my frankness about the type of society that I live in.

Anyways being aware of their standard operation procedure can be helpful. They are aware of ours, they watch us for patterns, record what we buy for a reason, they look for chicks in the armour and try to use it.

These people are a real testament, everyday that I live, breath, see them, or have to be around them, they make me realise what I don't want. I know that we are not free, but everytime I see them it brings that point home so much more vividly.

As far as the Stasi signals are concerned, I do from time to time have to test out a new signal to confirm that I am accurately interpreting the meaning and these are the times I may have to use them in public, other wise I leave the informants to their Stasi speak.

Oh and the one time I did use Stasi speak without cause was to indicate to this woman one of those now familiar strangers that I am aware of the fact that she is an informant. My apologies but my contempt was not quite being communicated the way that I had hoped.

Beyond that, these mini set up's are just things to be aware of. I don't know how exactly an incident like the one today adds to their belief that the target needs to be watched, but they do like to believe their own lies, so it's not that hard. They don't question, they just do what they are told. (Not all are like that,) but you have to watchout for yourself nonetheless, be aware of them and how they opperate, but on the other hand for the most part learn to ignore them.

Terry Tremaine

The reason that this post caught my eye is due to the fact that he sounds like he might be a Targeted Individual.

Now after reading some of Mr Tremaine's postings, I can honestly say that I don't agree with his views and opinions. In a democratic society however you do have the right to voice your opinions, within reason. (There are exceptions to every rule however. Eg. M.B.N.L.A.)
What caught my eye about him is this.

http://freedominion.com.pa/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=121827&sid=37eb834eaaecbb64c99ef7df2ff1b11a

[quote]The Canadian Human Rights Commission (CHRC) has maintained a campaign of suppression against its political opponents under the guise of promoting 'human rights'. In my case they have pursued me from place to place, arranged for me to get fired from various jobs between 2005 and now, smeared my name in the media, had my bank accounts canceled, and even threatened employers with adverse media publicity unless they fired me. Such is the status of 'human rights' and the 'rule of law' under this current regime. If we had a genuine rule of law in Canada there would be a treason investigation concerning how entire agencies of the Canadian government have been co-opted in the interests of a foreign power, The Zionist Entity in Palestine (Israel).[/quote]

Now his postings would be something that a lot of average people would not agree with, but does he have the right to make his postings? Well he was set up by an infiltrator, a Mr Warman who then decided to sue him using the CHRC Complaint process.

After he was sued, he says he was fired from his job, then he moved and according to the above
quote, he was slandered, pursued from place to place, etc. I did some follow up research and found out that he became depressed and suicidal, he checked himself into a mental hospital, and then renounced his postings. When he got out he revoked his apology for his previous postings, and then stayed off the Internet, till he made the above post and was re-arrested for it, and is now in jail.

I am going to try to stay away from personal opinions etc, the fact is, if he is a target, then his case might shed some light on the Stasi like system that is happening in Canada. If a clear link can be made between what happened to him and the CHRC, then it might be something that Targeted Individuals can use in Canada to show correlation between the government and the things targeted individuals are experiencing and these investigations.

In his case, we know why his harassment started, and in his opinion he sets a clear stage for correlation of his harassment and the CHRC.

[quote]In Canada and elsewhere the phrase 'human rights' is taking on the unbearable stench of tyranny. This regime is attempting to replace our God-given and inalienable rights of free speech, free assembly, and self-defense with United Nations -style 'human rights' which can be granted with one hand and taken away with the other.[/quote]

He makes makes some points about the United Nations system which if you look into Agenda 21 is happening right now.

[quote]When the CHRC began attacking me I went into a downward spiral eventually reaching the point where I became suicidal and had to seek treatment for severe depression. At some point I decided to start fighting back and have been doing so ever since. I emphasize that at present the tools of our struggle are words and persuasion.[/quote]

I wanted more details about the specifics, but don't have enough to make a full assessment, but my early instinct is he went through what many of us call the Gang Stalking process. His is just a better case, because if it can be used to show that the state is employing these tactics, then maybe targets in Canada could use this in court, to prove their harassment, maybe not, don't know, but it's why this story was important.

I am not going to lie, for the average person even his defence is going to contain some unplaptable racial overtones that many will find unacceptable, and maybe even assume he deserved his fate, but since Canada is suppose to be a free country, and claims democracy, then this case should be a concern on those grounds, though I realise separating the lines will not come easy for most, I had a hard time with his postings that I tried to research.

http://canadianroguegallery.blogspot.com/2009/04/terry-tremaine.html

He seems to miss the bigger picture, that this is about all of us, white, black, Asian, Indian, this is about humanity, and what is happening with him is a small microcosm of the greater picture and the bigger agenda.

This prosecution did not begin with him, it's been ongoing since the first immigrants sent foot on Canadian, American soil, it's about control and squashing dissidence and it always has been.
I wish that he had tuned into the bigger picture, this is happening to male, female, black, white, Asian, Indian, in his case, the persecution started for something very overt, and opinions some might not agree with, but for many others the same type of persecution happened for reasons they are not aware of. What people have to understand is that what affects one, affects another.
When I went looking for answers about the civil rights, and the panthers, and why more leaders had not risen in this time period, it's because many of those leaders are in jail, destroyed before they even had a chance to rise. When I researched I found a deliberate system that had been implemented to destroy ethnic communities, with drugs, music, and social influences. The war on drugs was not what I thought it was, and society is nothing like what I first believed.
People need to become aware of this, we have one fate, us the little people against a system that has big plans for us, a dumbed down, submissive population, that will eventually be microchipped.

People are being conditioned for this every day, they are addicted to being followed around on twitter, sharing personal details on facebook, and another thousand little ways they are being socialized to give up their privacy, and to think it's acceptable to live in a big brother society. A society that is being socialized to accept 1984 conditions, George Orwell knew what was coming, and it's more clear as time goes on.

Yesterday I saw this graffiti "We sleep, they live" I was filled with joy. I think people are starting to wake up.http://100777.com/theylive

The only problem is that we seem to wake up in waves, and I believe the governments are planning for when we wake up in one big wave. I believe people will have no idea what they are up against.

Anyways back to Terry Tremaine, I think if he does turn out to be a Targeted Individual and it can be shown that the same tactics that were employed against other targets were employed against him, then it will be one of the first times we can show clear correlation with a government entity and the kind of stalking, and Stasi style harassment many of us have experienced. Our free society are becoming more communistic daily, and the Informant system is in place, there is always an informant system in place before these take overs can take place, and that part of the agenda from where I am, and what I can see is set.

People are waking up, but it's not fast enough, and the problem with waking up is that people do it in their own time. I remember waking up everyday and going I can't believe the world is like this, it took over a year before acceptance came. Even now it's hard, but I have had years now, you have read my blog, so you know.

For the average target, many of them want to believe it's just some vigilante gang doing this, they want to believe the lie, because the truth is just so terrible to behold. Or they want to believe it's rouge citizens and that they will be brought to jail, but in the case of Mr Tremaine, if a clear correlation can be shown between his harassment, and government and state involvement, then it might give targets in Canada a chance.

Here are some more articles about his case, again Mr Tremaine or rather his views, are not what many will be able to understand, or approve of, but the bottom line is, the state is using it's powers to destroy lives, and that is not a good thing in a democratic country.

http://www.leaderpost.com/technology/Terrence+Cecil+Tremaine+accused+breaching+condition+release+posting+messages+Internet/1871062/story.html

http://www.canadianfreespeech.com/cafe/index.php/index2.php?option=com_content&do_pdf=1&id=55

Fits the description

Troubling incident recently.

I have mentioned this before, but I will mention it to targets again, and I would have you be on the look out for this.

I have mentioned that what I believe is ongoing in many cases to keep these so called cases of investigations ongoing are a great deal of set up's, and deliberate provocations, so let me go over a couple of recent incidents that I have noticed.


What I have tried to do off and on is if I notice a troubling incident, I will try to report it, provided that I am aware of it. I am trying to do this, because I believe there is clear evidence to indicate that what they are doing during these investigations is that they are using other people who fit the description to try to portray targets as crazy, perverts, drug dealers, etc, whatever they are trying to portray you as, they will them if they can't get you, you get what I like to refer to as doppelgangers to do the dirty work for them.

I use the term doppelgangers very loosely, because these people are not doppelgangers, they are simply what I call fits the description. In other words if you are male, 45, white, 6'4 that is what they would ruffly try to use. The person does not have to look like you, dress like you, or anything else, they just have to fit the description. So if they are trying to get you to look like a pervert, they would use someone like, and have them insult females near where you are, look at them, or watch children etc. It does not have to be you, the incident just has to be attributed to you, and this will keep their investigations going, it will keep the informants who are getting paid to follow you, employed, and it keeps the need for this system going, and going.

So Eg. If you are an Asian, female, 5'2, 25, and they are trying to portray you as crazy, then let's say that they can not get you to act out in public, they will get a female, who looks around that age, most likely Asian, maybe not, and then they will have that person act out in public. What's most disturbing for me, is that I have blogged about this before, but I have seen it enough now, to be able to confirm that this is what they are doing deliberately.

I think you get the idea. What I have seen lately on a few separate occasions are that they deliberately have targets who fit the description crossing my path, (I use this term very loosely, because they dress nothing like me, and hygiene wise they look very unkempt, and I would say crazy. One Saturday as I left the house about 4 weeks ago, I had one cross my path who was talking to themselves and carry some bags in their hands, seemingly mentally unwell, but that has to be determined. Eg. I have seen informants, pretending to be crazy, I mean literally sane informants, who are pretending. In this particular instance, I do feel that the person really was crazy whoever, just by appearance, and unkempt manner, but there is no way to tell.

They were going in one direction, and I was going in another, but the thing with the informant force is they do not seem to be required to comment on appearance, or state of dress. Eg. I am always well dressed, never unkempt, and for the most part pretty polite. Except if I am making sarcastic comments under my breath, or commenting on the snitches. This happens very rearly, but I am guessing that these are getting used as well, as oh target was disturbed and talking to themselves.

The other incident recently involved someone who was in my opinion clearly disturbed and talking to themselves, the person was much much older looking, very unkempt in appearance, and clearly not looking anything like me to any sane and rational observer, yet I passed this person talking to themselves and telling people off, I left the location where this was happening, and walked not a short distance.

Within a short space of time, I had the street theater begin. Eg. People trying to run into me, etc, they were doing things to try to provoke me. Now I was in a pretty good mood, so just ignored them. What was disturbing however was there was a woman with a baby stroller, she was deliberately oncoming in my direction, in my direct path without making any attempt to adjust where she was going, and as I adjusted, she adjusted to keep in my path, from a far away enough distance that there was no reason to that I could see, however, and this is what's disturbing, but I am reporting it, because I believe my observation on this is sound. She looked behind her to the side, and made eye contact with the cop in the car that was right near us both which I had not immediately noticed, and even though I could clearly see that she really did not want to aim her baby stroller at me, after looking behind at the car for instruction, she continued to do that, the look on her face was clear, she did not want to be doing that, she was clearly being instructed, and from what I could tell it was by whomever was in the cop car, whom I assume was observing the deliberate incident. It happened fairly quickly, yet it felt like it was in slow motion, because I had enough time to see the exchange with her and the person in the car, so all I could do after seeing this, was smile at her, and encourage her to do what she was doing, while moving out of her way, the best that I could, because she kept a direct path at me.

I was so sickened, but not for myself, I mean what kind of a society is this, where you get a young mother to pimp out her kid like that? What if I really was a dangerous and crazy person, you were willing to gamble that the brave officer sitting in the car would get to her, before an incident happened with the baby? I am not wrong in my observation of this, but shocked and disgusted. I don't know why I am disgusted. I have an idea of how the Stasi worked, I know with these community policing programs they work similar, I know people are being asked to do things like this, but when you see it like this, it's gross.

The thing is if that really had been me having a bad day, they were trying to provoke an incident. See when something is happening like crazy person talking to themselves, the snitches start to put in their little reports, so I don't know how long the crazy person had been set up and in position.

I do know that this is happening and the best thing that I can do is report what I have been observing. Now I have had the neighbours watching and leaving when I am leaving, and we have the snitch force trying to chart my way from when I leave my home, to work and back etc. Since I am clear that I don't require the babysitting, I don't appreciate it. What's interesting is that when there are people around that I know, I have never seen one of these little incidents happen, but when it's people that I do not know, suddenly these incidents happen. So I have no way of knowing how many of these incidents that I am not aware of are happening and being attributed to me.

Shy of my baby stroller incident that I reported, and handing out flyer's about a year ago, which I have also reported on these blogs, these people in my opinion are continuing to stage incidents, using the doppelgangers and the fit's the description reporting. We do not have a moral society, we have a Stasi society, and the corruption that when on there is what is happening here. I believe the incidents are in many cases staged, set up's, I believe the motivation is to portray the target as whatever they see fit, and I believe that it's also to keep these programs going, and the informant force employed. Much like a lot of the fake hate posting online are designed to keep up the appearance of a threat to society, I believe these incidents continue in the same way. Eg. Jiverly Wong was reported as a drug user who was going to rob a bank by an informant, there does not seem to have been any validity to this, but after his death, thanks to the police, these details made it into every paper across the nation.

I find that these little incidents tend to happen more when I openly talk about the fact that we have informants in the city, or identify one of their citizen informants as such. I don't know why they care, it's not like most of them are not informants anyways, I guess gangs are like that however and don't like their members identified as such.

As I pointed out before, legal action is I believe effective, but only if you can afford to do so, and second if you can find a law and lawyer that would allow you to do so. As for me, I refuse to be followed around the city like a child, the only disturbed people that I have seen are the people that have to take part in these programs, I find it very disgraceful, that citizens are being at times forced to do such things. I think it's one thing to volunteer to go along with something like this, there are enough bottom of the barrel people to go around, but what I saw and witnessed today was fear, and cohesion. The female should not have been used in the prescribed manner I described above, I think it's wrong, and again I would not take the time to report this, unless I sure the observation was correct. It's also not the first time that I have seen something similar, with citizens being coerced by cops in similar manners. To serve and protect, who's interests?

What I can tell you is that this society is what has become paranoid and disturbed, with good reason, because when you are a Stasi state, you will have people in disagreement with you, and it's sad to see something that I though was good, as something that is not. I don't view the citizens the way I once did. They are still the very polite people I once thought, but what is behind this is something that is quite scary. A Stasi society is apparently a polite society. It's also a society where activists, and dissidents are portrayed as enemies of the state and are dealt with by being made to appear as mentally disturbed.

Down with snitching clearified.

http://gangstalking.wordpress.com/2009/06/24/down-with-the-snitching/

I blogged the above post really early in the morning and so not a good time for blogging, so I thought I would go over it, I made a lot of points and i want to make sure I did it correctly.

Construction projects.

Many targets complain about these, and in my personal experience, they use these projects as an excuse to help with the monitoring and surveillance of the area.

Sure there is always construction ongoing so how can we be sure it's directed at us. I have lived several years on the planet, and there has often been construction ongoing, but never like this.
It's not just construction at the last two locations that lasted for months or years on end, it's going to interviews, and by the time you get out a little construction, or drilling in the street you are going to pass just springs up. It's happened a few times, coincidence? A few times too many.
It happens for me and most other targets I know. As we are able to compare notes, this is a frequent theme that comes up, and they also see a pattern of extraordinary construction that has gone out of bounds.

Companies closing or change of owners.

This is another thing that I have noticed. Changes of owners. Let's say you had a store where the family were not going along with the snitching, suddenly they are out of business, or the store ownership changes. The things that I have further noticed is that within this change, specific products that were available, that the store specialized in are not there. Which makes no sense.
Targets complain about stores being out of products they use when they get there, even if they go to other locations, the products are out of stock.

This sounds crazy at first, but it's not. They watch and record everything that we buy. There is always someone behind us in the line, to mentally record the products the target purchased. They also watch what we take off the shelf, so they know if our diets change. They know which products to be out of, or if they can stop ordering all together.

In comparing notes amongst several targets, this is a pattern that they have also recorded and noted.

In the DT Stockton report he also documents the means that they use to put companies out of business. I don't know if the document is authentic, but much of what it says, sounds valid.
In my own experience, what I have seen with my customers is them being paid off or ordered this that or the other for not working with me. Eg. Trying to get my customers to leave from working with me. The ones that have stayed have recorded Gang Stalking patterns in their own lives. Based on some of what I hear back about what is happening this seems to be the case. Either go along with the system or be bowled over by it. This was the same with the Stasi, refuse to spy, have your life messed with.

Fired

I spoke of a group that had messed with my phones and performed other petty events that made me choose to change location and disassociate with them, while still in the work placed. They also got me written up. This is correct and first hand experience.

Getting me fired. I had heard from a third party, not related or associated with the story that person B) had been the cause. Since the third party would have no reason to lie, they were either correct, or if mistaken then it was not intentional, but this is what I heard back.

I did not mean to imply that person A) had requested for person B) to take such actions. What I meant to imply was that because of the association, person B) was inclined to take such actions.
Eg. I once had another, unrelated situation, where a friend come up and told me that person B) who was also friend with my friend, person A), that person B) hated me. I was really surprised, and I was like what? Why? Apparently because of my friendship with person A) for no other reason. My friend said person B) was really jealous of the the friendship and just hated my guts, and to watch my back. Other things were said, but you get the idea. So it's not to indicate that person A) made person B) take action against me, but person B) hated me, because of my associating with person A).

People will hate for stupid reasons.

Back to the first situation, anyways I did later run into these two on separately on different occasions and I did just walk away and ignore them both. So that was also first hand experience.
I think when some people are around you, they bring bad things into your realm, be in this one or another. (If you believe such things, and when they are gone, your life get's better.) I believe some others bring good things into your life, and when they are around, things just get better and better.

In my experience if someone cares about you, really cares about you, it's like a protective shield, I don't care if it's a best friend, love, child, parent, etc, when someone cares about you, truly cares about you, they bring, honor, grace, and love into your life, and good energy towards you and things go good.

I find others with selfish or bad intentions towards you, or who hate you, bring you down, and create very negative situations, and should be avoided at all cost, on all realms. I think the difference shows.

If you are in a situation, friendship, and you have doubts or questions, just ask yourself, what kinds of experiences, situations, events, do they bring in your life, how does it make your soul feel? That's a good way to start to gauge if this person is an asset or a liability for your life.

Some people feel good to be around, you might even feel happy to be around them, but they could still be an energy draining type of person, and bring bad things into your realm. It's about energy, and you want to connect with the right types of people. People who are feeders, who feed off of others, can associate and they will be just fine, because they have nothing to lose, and they give out nothing, but if you then place yourself in that situation, you might notice a lot of negative happenings in your life, and it might be a good idea to disconnect and disassociate from that situation. Usually when you do, you will see an improvement in your life. Some situations are unhealthy.

Fishing expeditions.

They try to find out what targets are sensitive to? what they will react to? What you can use to engage them? There is usually what I call a conductor telling people where to sit, where to stand, should they approach the target, when to conduct an action when not to. In this regard it's more coordinated then we realise.

Jiverly and Kimveer

I don't believe that they ever found the Gang Stalking sites. I think having a community to socialize with could have been very helpful. I think it might have help to stop some of this from happening.


Police Controlled

They don't really have to be police controlled. You have lot's of co-workers and other in the community, that are just regular snitches, that are more than happy to mess with your stuff. Remember in regular case of mobbing we hear about this stuff all the time. Stealing stuff, messing with their things, and other parasitic mobbing behaviours. They don't have to be police controlled snitches. I was just pointing out that if you are in desperate situations it can be easier to manipulate you.

Immigration

These people have my full sympathy. I don't believe their immigration situations should be used, to get them to do things, or as leverage, but this is getting used. I think it's horrible. If you thought the drug cases were bad this is worst.

Imagine being a mother or a father, separated from your kids, you have no way of getting in communication with them, seeing them etc, and you want them to come here, and you have a gun being held to your head. You have some third party holding you hostage in this way, and manipulating you. Your situation is just as vulnerable, if not more vulnerable then the drug informants.

The same is true for husbands kept from their wives, wives kept from husbands. Kids kept from dying or sick parents.

A lot of immigrants are hard working, they come here and just like everyone else they want a chance. To manipulate them like this is cruel and wrong, and it should never be used as leverage, but in a Stais like society, everything is used as leverage. You attack and go after people's vulnerabilities. I think it's wrong, and I feel very sad for them.

That's why I don't think they should be used. If people like Rachel Hoffman were vulnerable due to their situation, then immigrants are equally as vulnerable because of their circumstances and they should not be used and manipulated that way.

Portrayal of a target

I mentioned that they are going for the crazy thing the same way that Russia did. This is not made up, I have heard this back many times. I again think that's funny. You have people saying that being on the Internet is a sign of mental illness, so I guess a lot of people are crazy. I always wonder who get's to decided these things?

As I have also mentioned as time goes on, I get other things, they go fishing and try to add on other things. So you just have to watch your back.

Torture

Some people think that this is just about the target being sleep deprived. If you had someone using a laser on you, or radar gun, or transducers below the dry wall, then maybe you would understand that it's also physical torture.

Then you have the psychological things. People trying to get you upset so that they will get you to lash out. So a lack of sleep, being tortured, then you are expected to function, while being constantly provoked, and I did mention the complete stupidity of many in this program, added to their lack of a moral center, and their ability to forget what's legal or moral, anything to fit in, and go along with the group and you have dangerous situations.

It is not the lone event, it is the accumulation, done over a period of time. This is the reason why mobbing had been so successful, and we have seen mobbing targets snap by just being mobbed at work. Targeted Individual have a Triple fight on their hands. They are mobbed at work, in the community, and in their homes, plus they get the added benefit of torture.

This is why I speculate that this might well be getting used to groom targets to snap. If you know what makes someone tick, you might be able to get them to snap when you want to as well. I mean these actions, these activities are being recorded for someone, for something, and so this is a reasonable speculation.

The windows shaking, and the walls dancing, would be more transducer stuff. But if you touch the walls, if feels like a sheet of electricity, in my opinion. It just vibrates. It feels so freaky.

Corrupted Results

I changed my minds, even if these people are not controlled informants, they are equally as dangerous and capable of giving corrupted results. Anytime you have a country that has it's citizens spying on each other, you are going to run into bad situations. The police controlled informants, on the surface have more vulnerabilities than the other informants, but each are capable of giving corrupted results, or following secondary agendas. It's just with police controlled informants, they might not know their rights, be more desperate, and more at the mercy of these people. However on a psychological level, the person who wants to fit in, who wants to avoid being targeted themselves, can be equally bullied into performing immoral actions.

We saw this in Stasi Germany with what good people were wiling to do to their neighbours, friends, family, lovers, children, parents, and we saw this is in Hitler's Germany, with the community helping to round up persons of Jewish origin. The state can motivate people to do
horrendous things to each other.

Leasing the snitch.

They wonder why I dislike them.

I was in my apartment as usual minding my own business, when I heard my door press in, but it's locked so it just makes that sound, like someone is trying the door. Anyways I went to investigate. So I stand there. The door does it again. I check the peep hole, but don't see anything, but the door does it again. Like someone is pushing in my door. I also press on the door from the inside, and the door presses again, like someone is pushing it in. So I open it, cause I want to see who is there.

I know not a sane thing to do at that time of the night, but really. Guess what a shock it's the creepy neighbour guy. So I am like WTH are doing at my door at this time of night? He has nothing to say, because he has just been caught. It's like the last time I caught this loser peeking through the slot at the same time of night. Maybe he has an early morning disease that makes him have to peek into other people's homes, or attempt to push in or open the door. My personal theory is that he is probably an ex jail job, one of those ones they let out, and one that I would keep little kids away from. Then again I don't like him.

These people wonder why I want bad things to happen to them, just like the last time I caught this guy at the door, he had nothing to say and just goes back into his apartment. I don't know if he was trying to break in, or just rip down my signs again, but the f*cker is creepy as hell. He is exactly what I think those former Stasi types would look like.

Let's see as a Targeted Individual, I know better than to waste time with the police. I no longer trust them after my experiences with trying to get the Gang Stalking stopped. The last time I tried to file a report with them, if you recall they were kind enough to twist the details. At the same time, the snitch needs to be put on a very short lease. I really find it offensive that these people get away with this stuff. I would not doubt if the loser came up with a story of how he was out for an innocent stroll, when I just magically decided to open the door at the same time and start yelling at him. I am sure that these people, are are as creepy as they were in East
Germany, or worst.

I don't want to make too light a deal of this, because I am pretty sure they use mentally disturbed people, and he may well in time prove to be one of these types of people, but at the same time, I don't want to blow it out of proportion either. Who knows if he will wonder to any other doors in future, maybe actually break into an apartment in future. Then again they all cover for each other so I wonder if it would even matter, if a snitch commits a crime against another snitch is it really a crime? Finding the right balance, protecting myself, society and punishing creepy Stasi losers.

Bridging The Gap 2

Bridging the Gap.

This book is now available at Amazon.com



You can now purchase this the Hardcopy of this book at Amazon.com. This book is a great way to help you and others understand what Gang Stalking is, and why it could be happening in society.

http://www.amazon.com/Bridging-Gap-GmB-Bailey/dp/1441448845

http://www.GangStalkingUnited.com/images/Bridge5.jpg



The book will answer a lot of the questions that get thrown out at targets. Why would the government do this? You are just not that interesting? Who would spend that much money to track and stalk you? How could so many people be taking part? You are just paranoid? Has this ever happened before?

It really should help to bridge some of the gaps between the regular population and the targeted individuals community.

Below are the chapters. Again the book is now available at Amazon.com and you can find it by using this link.


http://www.amazon.com/Bridging-Gap-GmB-Bailey/dp/1441448845


Table Of Content

Table Of Content

Introduction

Introduction I

Table of contents

Table of contents III

1. Bridging the gap

Bridging the gap 1

2. What is Gang Stalking

What is Gang Stalking? 2.1
Community Policing 2.4
Goals of Gang Stalking 2.5
Who gets targeted 2.7
Who takes part 2.9
Why people become informants 2.10
Common Techniques used 2.10
Funding for Gang Stalking 2.12
How do participants communicate 2.13

3. Covert Techniques

Covert Techniques 3.1

4. Obedience to authority

Milgram Experiment 4.1
The Stanford Prison Experiment 4.3
Strip Search Call Prank 4.4

5. Informant System

The Snitching System 5.1
Alexandra Natapoff 5.3

6. Conspiracies and history

The Secret Persuaders 6.1
Operation Gladio 6.2
Red Squads 6.4
McCarthyism 6.7
Cointelpro 6.9
Stasi 6.11
The Buzzsaw 6.14
Fusion Centers 6.17


7. Are Canadians being Watched

Secret Databases 7.1
Spying101 7.2

8. The Set Up's

Conspiracy 8.1
Paying the price 8.2

9. Chain Reaction

The Game 9.1
Understanding the game 9.3
Stopping the chain reaction 9.7

10. Infiltrations

Online Infiltrations 10.1
Offline Infiltrations 10.2

11. The final pieces

The Final Pieces 11.1
Checks and balances 11.2
Unwelcome truths 11.3

12. Coping

Coping 12.1

13. Closing Thoughts

Closing 13.1

14. Resources

Movies 14.1
Videos 14.1
Books 14.1
Articles 14.2
Cointelpro 14.4
Websites 14.5

15. References

References 15.1

Obama a call to service 2.

http://gangstalking.wordpress.com/2008/09/25/obama-a-call-to-service/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df2p6867_pw

Did everyone see this article it just came out?

Phase I

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090421/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_obama_national_service

[quote]By ANN SANNER

WASHINGTON – Calling on Americans to volunteer, President Barack Obama signed a $5.7 billion national service bill Tuesday that triples the size of the AmeriCorps service program over the next eight years and expands ways for students to earn money for college.

"We need your service, right now, in this moment in history. ... I'm asking you to stand up and play your part," said Obama, a former community organizer in Chicago. "I'm asking you to help change history's course."

Joining Obama was Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, who has been battling brain cancer. Kennedy championed the legislation with Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, and the bill was named in honor of the Massachusetts Democrat.

Kennedy told the audience that included former President Bill Clinton, New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg and former first lady Rosalyn Carter that Obama's efforts echoed that of his late brother, former President John F. Kennedy.

"Today, another young president has challenged another generation to give back to their nation," Kennedy said, citing his brother's advocacy of the Peace Corps.

The service law expands ways for students and seniors to earn money for college through their
volunteer work. It aims to foster and fulfill people's desire to make a difference, such as by mentoring children, cleaning up parks or buildings and weatherizing homes for the poor.
Bolstering voluntary public service programs has been a priority of Obama, who credits his work as a community organizer in his early 20s for giving him direction in life. The president cited his work in Chicago as an example of how one person can make a difference.

"All that's required on your part is a willingness to make a difference," Obama said. "That's the beauty of it; everybody can do it."
[/quote]

I refer you to the earlier post about the Youtube video Obama a call to service, and the first post on this topic, with some key points of the speech addressed.

http://gangstalking.wordpress.com/2008/09/25/obama-a-call-to-service/

Finally a reminder about what the ACLU said.

http://blog.aclu.org/2009/04/09/show-us-your-body-or-well-feel-you-up/

[quote]One of the points that Saletan makes is that what was formerly voluntary is now mandatory. We hate to say “I told you so,” but this is the classic way that invasive technologies reach us: the authorities make them as palatable as possible to get the public to swallow them (they’ll say it’s "voluntary," or "applied only in certain cases," and tell you it’s chock-full of privacy protections). Then once they’re accepted, they become more and more intrusive in all the ways the ACLU always warns against. [/quote]

This model works with other things, not just invasive technologies. Today what is voluntary, might not be tomorrow, it may well be mandatory.

The Snitch Language

The snitch language.

What I really found interesting about the one handed sign language was it's ability to unite people. I know I recently said some not nice things about the sign language, but I am human. I
have my moments.

When I was first observing it however, and I could just play the role of the observer, I did not feel that way about it.

First of all I was fascinated, second I was relieved. I knew they were out on the street communicating, at first I had thought they were using the cellphones, and communicating that way, but not all had cellphones and they were still communicating.
When I finally realised that they were using a language similar to what was used in East Germany it was a relief.

Here is a sample of the East Germany Stasi language that was used.

http://www.nthposition.com/stasiland.php

SIGNALS FOR OBSERVATION

1. Watch out! Subject is coming - touch nose with hand or handkerchief
2. Subject is moving on, going further, or overtaking - stroke hair with hand, or raise hat briefly
3. Subject standing still - lay one hand against back, or on stomach
4. Observing Agent wishes to terminate observation because cover threatened - bend and retie shoelaces
5. Subject returning - both hands against back, or on stomach
6. Observing Agent wishes to speak with Team Leader or other Observing Agents - take out briefcase or equivalent and examine contents.

After realising what was happening, it was a matter of confirming the theory with some field testing.

When I could just observe it however and not be the target, it was interesting. There was something very amazing about it. Here we have all this racism, sexism, ageism, religious separation, lack of unity for all these various reasons, and here was something that knew no boundaries.

I watched Black, White, Asian, Indian, Middle Eastern, Eastern European, African, all use this language across boundaries. I watched men, woman, young and old, and there were no boundaries. I mean why do we have this separation in society, if these people can work together?

In learning some aspects of how they were communicating, I was fascinated. People that would never talk to each other on the street were passing information to each other. Goth, the Elderly, the Religious, groups you would never believe would work together, but there they were on the trains, in public, on the platform coordinating, sharing.

It destroyed the myths of this world. The hatred we buy into, why is it even necessary? If we each taught our children sign language or a simplified version of the one handed language from when they are little, there would not be language barriers, because it's silent you could not use raised voices the same way, hateful words would be more difficult. There might even be more respect, because there would not be this separation.

The other thing that was interesting was that when people realised that I knew some of it, there was the expectation of participation. When someone passed something along, it was almost rude the times I did not respond, because I was in observer mode, and my job was to observe a new a language. To field test at other times, and to just observe.

The other amazing thing was the cultural nuances that were picked up. Depending on which area of the world that people came from some signs were passed in different ways, just slightly, or different mannerisms were used. Some had styles that were amazing. Some I just wanted to stand up and applaud, they were so good at it. In observer mode, I could admire it for it's true potential, but in target mode, I can only hate it for it's ability to be used as something to help track me as an animal, which I am not.

I think this would be amazing for the linguist, or the sociologist to study.

Back when I was researching this, I use to want to walk up and give people little medals for doing a good job, and others I had to stop myself from pulling aside and re-educating them. Which is funny. The target having to pull aside the pursuers. I have had to help a few from themselves however. The girl at the grocery store who was so busy watching me, that her child almost impaled themselves. The girl who was so busy trying to pass a signal she almost fell off her bike, no she was fine, but I have had a few moments.

See it's hard to hate someone when you understand them more. Watching and observing them, gave me a better understanding of them. It made me more sympathetic, because I know not everyone chooses this path. I know not everyone likes this. I learnt a lot, and for that I am grateful. It's so easy when you are a target to see things in black and white. They are electronically harassing me and Gang Stalking me, well they must all be evil. I have blogged before that is just not the case. In my finer moments I remember that. In my less than finer moments, I verbally lash out and tend to generalise a lot of things, and a lot of people. That's the part where I am human, and I can't be sorry for being human.

A lot of this is still very traumatic for me. Realising that there are forces in the world that would seek to hurt me, destroy me. Forces in the world that actually hurt and kill people. Conspiracies that are real. A society that is kept in silence, and in my opinion enslaved by this system. Those things are a shock to the system, and you do not adjust over night, I don't know that you ever fully adjust.

I go from moments of upset, where it's just me and my emotions my feelings, I forget that others are also suffering and being forced. It's much easier to believe that they are willing and enjoying what they are doing to me, to other targets. Some do enjoy it, they think it's power over another person, those I would like to get alone and talk to. I believe they would be nothing but cowards face to face. Others just don't know what to do and just go along with it. Others are not really clear about what is happening. Some think it's another McCarthyism, or maybe it's just something in their workplace, others believe it's helping the country.

There are a lot more people being electronically harassed than I would like to believe. When I think about how pervasive this is in society, I can only conclude that this is being used in some ways as a form of slavery, to control people, to teach them how to act. Behaviour modification? Wither you use a whip or electronic harassment it's the same fu**ing thing.

What I do know is that there are good people in the world, yes it's hard to say, some of them are part of this civilian spy force, that creeps me out most days. Not the people but the system, but the people are part of the system, and so at times it's hard to separate the two, and still understand it all. I am so use to things being black and white. Good vs Evil, these grey areas are hard to understand.

Plus it's like a person in a concentration camp saying not all Germans are bad, which would probably have been a correct statement in Hitlers Germany, but when you are being targeted by a system, you want to have a source where your anger can be directed. You want to have it as Informants are bad and evil, not they are people, some in a bad situation just like the rest of us, many being forced and targeted the same way. Yet many others just going along for the ride and the power trip of it all.

When I do lash out, the last two groups are where the majority of my anger is directed. Those who like this, the sociopaths who are power tripping on this and using this to get off, to hurt people.

Then there are people themselves, people who are as changing as the weather, no that would make the weather look bad to say this. People are so changing, they can be all friendly today, and then tomorrow depending on what the latest gossip is, it's another story. Do you know what I call those, those are viewers and spectators, tuning in for the latest dirt, the latest gossip, so they can be told if they should like you today or not, who cares, and more importantly who wants to associate with people who have such limited capacity to think for themselves?

"The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing." by Albert Einstein.

I think people like that are at times more dangerous than the ones directly hurting us, and just like dealing with workplace mobbing, I am making decided efforts to avoid such people in the long run, because it is not beneficial.

Back to the language that is used. The ways it's used now to enslave I can not enjoy, people are unified but not for the sake of something good, like helping the homeless, or feeding the hungry, they are united to destroy the innocent and oddly enough it seems to be one of the few things that humans are good at uniting to do. Just look at Hitlers Germany.

The language they use however has also given me hope? If children learnt sign language, a very simple one from an early age, which it has been shown they can learn, think about the possibilities for a much more unified world? The hate they try to teach us to keep us apart, these two sided hegelian dialect arguments, some of them might be done away with.

http://www.babies-and-sign-language.com/

As the observer, I could appreciate and be fascinated by the language they use, and even see the potential for good. I saw unity within lines that I know would never be crossed any other way. There is nothing more funny than watching someone pretending to be homeless, passing the language to people that are dressed in suits, it breaks through the rich/poor lines, every line you could think of this language broke through. It's really fascinating to watch, cultural lines check, gender, age, disabilities, check. If it was not a part of what was being used to pursue the targeted part of me, I could appreciate it, however since it is being used in that capacity, the part of me that likes my survival, hates it, and can not appreciate it for what it is. It's a conflict, but it's not hypocrisy.

It's humanity, my humanity, a part of which really liked the black and white lines, the part that hates grey, the part that likes Good vs Evil and nothing in between. Right from Wrong is much easier this way, but this system blurs those lines, and it's hard to be on any side, but it's even harder to try to understand those who unfortunately are on a side that is trying to destroy you.
I think some targets get this, but I am not sure if others do.

I have changed so much. I am anti gun personally, but now I see that guns are a necessity, and people should have the right to own them.

I am deeply against all forms of drugs, but now that I have seen what the informant system is and what it does, I have no choice but to side against it, and to seek the betterment of some informants being used by the system, and to hope that some drugs get decriminalized, because I feel a greater crime is ongoing.

I believe in a multicultural society, but now I see that opposing voices are needed. I see that in a free society you must allow voices of dissent. I don't have to agree with you, or like what you are saying, but in a free society your voices are needed, and thus some of these extreme websites I might have railed against a decade ago, I do see the need for.

I am still anti smoking, but that's one of the few things that remains.

The research over the last few years has opened my eyes more to the world that I am living in. I never thought of myself as sheltered, I would read up on issues, and care about causes most avoided, but the true nature of the world I had no idea. It's like what Gary Webb said about thinking that he was winning awards, because he was going out and getting the stories, how he thought he was doing everything right, but it was really that he had never done anything controversial.

http://gangstalkingworld.com/Forum/YaBB.pl?num=1230244889

[quote]Indeed, some of the writers in Buzzsaw say that, before their own experiences, they were among the scoffers. Webb writes, "If we had met five years ago, you wouldn't have found a more staunch defender of the newspaper industry than me ... I was winning awards, getting raises, lecturing college classes, appearing on TV shows, and judging journalism contests. So how could I possibly agree with people like Noam Chomsky and Ben Bagdikian, who were claiming the system didn't work, that it was steered by powerful special interests and corporations, and existed to protect the power elite?"

But, like most of the contributors to "Into the Buzzsaw," he did his job too well and the powers that be hurled him onto the other side of the looking glass. "And then I wrote some stories that made me realize how sadly misplaced my bliss had been," he writes. "The reason I'd enjoyed such smooth sailing for so long hadn't been, as I'd assumed, because I was careful and diligent and good at my job ... The truth was that, in all those years, I hadn't written anything important enough to suppress."[/quote]

Many of us are like this, we don't think of ourselves as controversial, but if you are the type to stand up for your rights, the rights of others, assert your voice, or you just stand out for the right reasons or even for the wrong one's you could be a target.

You don't think of the world this way, neither did I and that is why this place of understanding is such a journey. It does not happen overnight, I am not sure it ever happens, some days are easier than others, but there is still a part that is so sad that the world is like this, you just have to be patient with that side, love and nurture that side, and take it day by day. I really do believe that praying helps. It's one of our best defenses and weapons.

Not much else. You are getting a weeks worth of posts all at once so enjoy them.